Comments on: Family Loses Second Son In Iraq

Third Son In Iraq Will Return To California For The Funeral

[timantane]

is that a political crack? no - its a complaint about a useless, incompetent utterly uncaring presidential administration who has not made sure they troops they sent to Iraq have what they need.
Posted by nyckate at 10:49 AM : Aug 23, 2007

nyckate,

When did I say anything about a political crack? I try to stay out of the political debates here. I doubt any of it accomplishes anything on a news article comment section.

I would agree with your assessment on why helicopters crash. But I''ll reserve judgment until the crash investigation is complete. Helicopters crash for all kinds of reasons, I doubt the Army knowingly keeps improperly maintained helicopters o the flight schedule. Especially troop carrying flights.

[nyckate]

TimanTane - believe it or not most reservists do NOT live near a base. DIdn''t you know that?

The first year of the war I had to search all over to find a group organizing care packages - not even the base chaplains here in NY knew of one.

So please -- of course the towns near the bases help those near the base. It''s the tens of thousands who don''t live near the base or who will never be on a base again because they have lost their limbs who need help.

Sheesh.

[themurph2000]

But now today when we should all know better we have a governmen that is badly mistreating our returning vets - with poor to no medical coverage, care - they can wait up tp 6 months for an MRI and over a year for therapy.
Posted by nyckate at 10:44 AM : Aug 23, 2007

Believe me, I don''t dispute any part of that. The government has been *** our soldiers on both sides: up on the front lines through lack of communication and proper equipment, then through proper care for our wounded GI''s. Sadly, that hasn''t changed. If I blame the administration for anything on this war, it''s that. Whether Bush lied or was given bad information from the CIA (a very easy organization to blame, everybody can agree upon that), we''ll never know.

My focus was more on the people who lay the blame of this at the feet of our service men and women. Hence the Rosie comment, who did just that. Ann Coulter and Al Franken can both go to hell, for all I care. As for getting organizations to assist our troops, there''s not enough viable information out there to tell us how to do that. (buying calling cards for them aside)

Anyway, enough of me on the soapbox. Like someone said, this should be about the loss of 2 soldiers (and I''ll add the 14 who died in the Blackhawk helicopter crash) and expressing our condolences rather than a political forum.

[drummer94]

posted by nyckate at 10:44 AM Laura Bush is doing something- marrying off her daughters so they won''t get drafted!

[haneyr-2009]

nyckate. sorry deary but you are wrong in your revision on Vietnam war conduct by Jane and her army of cowards. I will atest to the spitting, yelling, pig blood, and obscenities first hand. It got so bad we in the military were ordered not to wear any uniform off base let alone travel in them. Of coarse the short hair gave away who we were in most parts of the country.

Your assessment of things just as bad now as then is also in error. There are hundreds of groups supporting the military compared to Vietnam times. You are right that there are not enough, but that is why we fought for your right to say and not do anything.

As for the continual tirade of the current administration not doing enough I cannot agree more. But remember deary that there are two parties in Congress that share the blame for what is going on perhaps more than anyone else. After all that''s why they are called ''representatives'' of the people. Speaking of juvenile, the mud on your hands isn''t very clean.

[nyckate]

likeitis5050 - I don''t know how you do it - my thoughts and prayers are with you, your child and your family.

[timantane]

We see no volunteer organizations going in and trying to help the tens of thousands of soldiers wounded and in need of handicapped cars, ramps, bathrooms, etc. No help for the reservists families who are on their 4th or 5th Tour of Iraq.

Posted by nyckate at 10:44 AM : Aug 23, 2007

nyckate

Apparently you don''t live near a military base because I DO see all kinds of volunteers. Do you volunteer? Or are you just going by what you see in the media?

[twood001]

How much more can America take? My heart goes out to the family.

Democrats, Republicans & Liberals, stop being nice and end this war. Impeach Bush and Cheney.

I don''t understand how impeachment proceeding scan be brought for a personal marital matter but not for crimes against America (Lies, Torture, loss of international support, Filling the pockets of the rich at the expense of the poor).

Enough is enough!!

[jankebenz]

you posters who use this story to escalate your anti bush agenda are the lowest forms of life.save your venom for the next election.Shame on you.A family lost 2 sons and my condolences and sympathy go to them.

[nyckate]

TimanTane

When helicopters start falling out of the skies it''s for one of two reasons - they were shot down or not properly maintained.

Now our troops have been complaining about lack of required parts and supplies for years now in Iraq. Perhaps if they had what they needed they''d be able to properly maintain the helicopter it most likely would not have fallen out of the sky and killed 14 troops.

Is that a political crack? no - its a complaint about a useless, incompetent utterly uncaring presidential administration who has not made sure they troops they sent to Iraq have what they need.

[jankebenz]

you posters who use this story to escalate your anti bush agenda are the lowest forms of life.save your venom for the next election.Shame on you.A family lost 2 sons and my condolences and sympathy go to them.

[haneyr-2009]

drummer94 you are right in that most of the silent majority of America in the 60''s and 70''s supported us Vietnam vets. It was the cowards and the press that portrayed US servicemen and women as baby killers. Not much has changed.

drinuk I don''t think it is a good idea to use two (or more?) nom de guere''s (mrhoppy) just to see your trash printed more than once. After all it''s interesting the meaning of nom de guerre, "Pseudonyms are adopted by resistance fighters, terrorists and guerrillas often to make enquiries more difficult, to create and maintain an aura of mystery, and to protect their families from reprisal, although other reasons often may exist." wikipedia

[nyckate]

themurph2000 - the sad truth is that we really aren''t treating our soldiers that much better than those during Nam. I know - we''ve all heard the stories of soldiers being spit on at airports and stuff - thing is nobody has actually ever met anywho who experienced that - it''s a story that grew out of nothing.

But now today when we should all know better we have a governmen that is badly mistreating our returning vets - with poor to no medical coverage, care - they can wait up tp 6 months for an MRI and over a year for therapy. THey reservists have been cut off TriCare -TriCare''s benefits have been limited, there aren''t enough staff to handle the medical claims and disability claims - some have had to hire lawyers to help them through the myriad of paperwork - and the disability payments are unhandled unequally, unfair and slow.

We see no volunteer organizations going in and trying to help the tens of thousands of soldiers wounded and in need of handicapped cars, ramps, bathrooms, etc. No help for the reservists families who are on their 4th or 5th Tour of Iraq.


So please - let''s cut the garbage like Rosie O''Donnell stuff out - it''s silly, juvenile, meaningless ... it''s not like Anne Coulter is out there organizing rides for vets to the hospital either -- sheesh - not even Laura Bush is doing anything or their daughters or Cheney''s daughters.....

[drinuk]

Puzzler125, What this is about is the unnecessary and wicked loss of life. At the very least, those like myself making strong political points are doing so out of feelings of utter frustration and hurt. It would be wrong for the majority to simply sit by, offer their sorrow and not show anger at this total and terrible waste of young lives....AND I repeat, FOR WHAT ?

[likeitis5050]

My heart goes out to the family. I have been there, and still have one serving. My prayers are with them.

[dredre2k]

Oh no! How Horrible! My prayers are with the family as they grieve for their tremendous loss!
What a sacrifice they have made for this country. I don''t agree with the war but I commend the sacrifice our troops have made to protect us.

[timantane]

Puzzler125

You''re right, but this is just SOP for these same people trying to push their agendas irregardless of what the subject of the article is.

Same people, same posts, doesn''t matter what the subject is. I think they just cut and paste the same thing to numerous comment sections. Like it''s their job or something.

I offer my condolences to the families of all 14 servicemen that where killed in this Blackhawk crash. It''s a sad day for Americans.

[ericsma]

My prayers to the family, be strong and stick together in this time of sorrow. I am very sorry for your loss, I can relate.

[drummer94]

This is what we mean by supporting the troops. Brothers supporting brothers. As sad as this is, maybe (though I doubt it) the republicans that are left supporting loony-toon and this madness ( all 352 of ''em ) will see the error of their ways. So all our brothers can come home, and we can hold those responsible, responsible. As in the ''Nam, the troops are supported, the administration? Wellllll, not so much.

[drinuk]

MrHoppy, You got it in one, these poor young lives are being sacrificed for Corporate America, for the likes of Rockefeller who seek World Government and who will only succeed in destroying us and those who support us. Stupid arze Bush is the puppet in this game, dancing to the tune of the corporate criminals who are cleaning up at the expense of our young and they don''t give a dam. We must root out these evil self interest groups and never let this happen again.