Comments on: Helicopter Crash Kills 14 GIs In Iraq

Suicide Truck Bombing Separately Kills 19 People; Iraqi PM Lashes Out At U.S.

[iceman_1960]

"Providing military training, providing assistance, providing arms - but it does NOT say anything about the option of invading.

Read what you want into it - it clearly does not even mention an invasion as option."
- Posted by mcdazz at 09:35 PM : Aug 22, 2007

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 concludes with words that specifically exclude badaxmofo''s strained interpretation.

This goofy phrase of "putting all options on the table" is not even found in the document.

It specifically limits action to supplying and supporting the Iraqi resistance. That''s all.

[iceman_1960]

"And NO it didn''t authorize the Iraq invasion, the bill authorizing the invasion, the one that Hillary, Kerry, Murtha and others voted YES authorized the actual invasion..."
- Posted by badaxmofo at 09:27 PM : Aug 22, 2007

Who voted AGAINST the invasion ?

In the Senate, the following voted against this idiotic invasion:

Senators Boxer, Durbin, Feingold, Chafee, Graham, Kennedy, Leahy, Levin, Mikulski, Sarbanes and others.

badaxmofo wrote:

"Assistance, by providing articles from the stocks, military training, military education, but not invasion.

Please advise where it authorizes an "invasion".

Your dreams and wishes don''''''''t count.
Posted by mcdazz at 09:06 PM : Aug 22, 2007

Another ONE!

''''articles of defense'''' include PERSONNEL!

Try again"

Once again, moron, it does not say anything about invasion - which is what you claimed it did.

"The Iraq Liberation Act merely put the option of an invasion on the table as an option...that is what STARTED the ball rolling in the way of an invasion...."

Nope, no option.

Providing military training, providing assistance, providing arms - but it does NOT say anything about the option of invading.

Read what you want into it - it clearly does not even mention an invasion as option.

Can you understand that moron?

[iceman_1960]

"Still not ONE Bush hater truly understands their HERO Clintoon''s Iraq Liberation Act signed into LAW in 1998 by ol'' Bill himself...CLASSIC! This paved the way for today''s Iraq War...it put on the table the MILITARY OPTION!"
- Posted by badaxmofo at 09:27 PM : Aug 22, 2007

It did not.

It put on the table, the option of military assistance to the Iraqi resistance. That''s all.

Otherwise, why on earth would it conclude with these careful words of limitation, if every option was "on the table" ????

"Nothing in this Act shall be construed to authorize or otherwise speak to the use of United States Armed Forces (except as provided in section 4(a)(2)) in carrying out this Act."

If 4(a)(2) was EVERYTHING MILITARY, those concluding words make no sense at all.

4(a)(2) was very limited. It was only about training and supplying Iraqis. That''s all.

Full text of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 is at:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.R.4655.ENR:

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badaxmofo wrote:

"The Iraq Liberation Act merely put the option of an invasion on the table as an option...that is what STARTED the ball rolling in the way of an invasion...."

No, it doesn''t.

Here''s the text:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.R.4655.ENR:

It does not say anything about an "invasion".

Section 4, (2) does state:

"(2) MILITARY ASSISTANCE- (A) The President is authorized to direct the drawdown of defense articles from the stocks of the Department of Defense, defense services of the Department of Defense, and military education and training for such organizations."

Assistance, by providing articles from the stocks, military training, military education, but not invasion.

Please advise where it authorizes an "invasion".

Your dreams and wishes don''t count.

[itchyb-2009]

badaxmofo wrote:

"Actual death count under Clintoon was closer to 4300 - sorry...anywho these were military personnel that died one way or another - try google"

Uh yeah, I did the google. Care to take a look?


http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/Death_Rates.pdf

badaxmofo wrote:

"Actual death count under Clintoon was closer to 4300 - sorry...anywho these were military personnel that died one way or another - try google"

Unless you''re making up those numbers, you should post a link to back up your argument.

But I doubt you will.

[iceman_1960]

"I believe he left Ice could not defend Bush on "amnesty" and could not support his claim of 4400 soldiers dying (implying violently) under Clinton.He is a troll, no quotas on him or limits on abuse."
- Posted by radiob at 07:34 PM : Aug 22, 2007

I shouldn''t have been abusive.

That 4400 figure probably reflects the normal mortality over 8 years of any group of human beings as numerous as our Armed Forces -- that''s probably where he got that figure.

And no one reading the careful language of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, that link I posted more than once, can possibly believe it was saying anything else than what it clearly said: WE WILL SUPPORT, TRAIN, EQUIP and ENCOURAGE the forces of IRAQI RESISTANCE.

No one reading the words of that document, could honestly believe it was authorizing an invasion of Iraq by the U.S. Army and Marine Corps.

But... some still are deliberately "confused" about the meaning of simple words like "article," "drawdown"....

and "is".

[radiob-2009]

I believe he left Ice could not defend Bush on "amnesty" and could not support his claim of 4400 soldiers dying (implying violently) under Clinton.He is a troll, no quotas on him or limits on abuse.