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Bomb Kills Provincial Governor And Three Other People

[roger_inkart]

Everyone should read today''s NY Times OpEd piece called "The War as We Saw It."

Quote:

The claim that we are increasingly in control of the battlefields in Iraq is an assessment arrived at through a flawed, American-centered framework. Yes, we are militarily superior, but our successes are offset by failures elsewhere. What soldiers call the %u201Cbattle space%u201D remains the same, with changes only at the margins. It is crowded with actors who do not fit neatly into boxes: Sunni extremists, Al Qaeda terrorists, Shiite militiamen, criminals and armed tribes. This situation is made more complex by the questionable loyalties and Janus-faced role of the Iraqi police and Iraqi Army, which have been trained and armed at United States taxpayers%u2019 expense.

It cuts through noise machine of the pro-war propaganda machine, largely in part as it is written by American soldiers, not NRO chickenhawks or White House spin doctors. It makes it clear the "success" of the surge is for the most part window dressing.

[radiob-2009]

Tool

How to leave Iraq without creating further bloodshed on their part or ours. Peace in Iraq? A relative restoration of peace and government?

The people of Khalis seem to be working towards it by uniting and attacking those who are helping create the civil war.If this process in Khalis can be expanded throughout Iraq a "uniting" of the Iraqis as one nation to expel by force if necessary those who are attacking them they have a chance at "peace". The Iranians, Saudia''s and others are using Iraq as a "war of power" in the region. Their "talks" are nothing but "empty words" when they are supplying the weaponary, training and money to continue the civil war. Everyone needs to butt out and let the Iraqis find "unity" or else it will divide beyond repair or reconcillation.

[grazinggoat]

CBS News: '' "Those who are outside are not much better off than you."---------------------------------------- Iraq vice president Tariq al-Hashemi, speaking to inmates at a Baghdad prison''

-This is a great testimony of how WELL it''s going for Iraqis, after the Walking-Liar SUUUUURGE.

[toolmangler-2009]

Posted by pastdue1 at 11:26 AM : Aug 19, 2007

Good start, now expand on it please.

[pastdue1]

Posted by ToolMangler at 11:16 AM : Aug 19, 2007

It is so past time to allow Iran, Syria, and Turkey to have some major input into stabilizing the area. We are still trying to solve the problem we created in a western way ~ cannot be done and the ME resents it. However, until the Bush administration is gone,(which would be a huge benefit to stabilization) there will be no help from these entities. Bush, Inc. will never leave if there is a shot that they will get control of the oil reserves.

[crater7]

pastdue1 at ll:08,

WELL SAID!

STAY THE COURSE

SURGE ON

[toolmangler-2009]

Ok Guyz ''n Galz It is well known that we shouldn''t be there to start with. We have castigated Bushy_baby (rightly so) and all agree that we should leave. NOW!!! any ideas as to how to do that without further bloodshed (on our part or theirs)? I feel that the loss of life over there would have occurred even if the invasion had never happened. Saddam would have attacked somebody or they would have come after him. Doesn''''t matter anyway, religious extremism has a way of causing suffering in any place where it is the ruling body or force. Start coming up with ideas on getting out. No possibility exists of leaving without making someone hate us, (so whats new?) who can we anger with the least consequenses?.......... lets hear it....

[pastdue1]

"British troops faced an "ugly and embarrassing" withdrawal from southern Iraq in the coming months"
"A total of 168 British personnel have died in Iraq since the March 2003 invasion."

Compare to the embarrassment that we in the USA are feeling. And, our biggest coalition force has lost 168, compare to our 3700, is that not embarrassing, also? Everytime another person is killed by any means in Iraq it is just another occasion for us to be embarrassed, but more so, heartsick. To use an old Texas phrase ~ "this is the sorriest excuse for a president that we have ever seen"

[prinzowhales]

Good to see the surge protecting Baghdad. Good to see US helicopters hovering over the disaster.
Good to see that you can still set up mortors in an urban area and fire them without detection by counter-mortar radar and without having to worry about a response...but, as the combat officer said the other day in a CBS article...''fighting al Qaeda is like fighting ghosts.''

[gkc99]

Nothing could be half as embarrassing as having George W. Bushit as president! The man is a pathetic loser, shameful to the USA for having elected the creep, and even more shameful that he still occupies the White House.

[formrusmcsgt]

According to Britain''''s The Sunday Times newspaper, Stephen Biddle, an adviser to the U.S. military, said that British troops faced an "ugly and embarrassing" withdrawal from southern Iraq in the coming months.

Of course the Times is owned by Rupert Murdoch and he is feeding the same administration friendly propaganda to the Brits that Faux news propagates here at home.
Posted by omega39 at 09:26 AM : Aug 19, 2007

Agreed.

As if the presence of US and British troops there to invade, conquer, and occupy was not an embarrasment in and of itself....

[formrusmcsgt]

The Brits were 90% against jumping into Bush''s "Crusade Canoe" in the first place.

Once Blair lost his credibility as an insightful leader for have stepped into it big time with Dubya, it was just a matter of time before the Brits decided to end their participation in the boondoggle.

[omega39-2009]

According to Britain''s The Sunday Times newspaper, Stephen Biddle, an adviser to the U.S. military, said that British troops faced an "ugly and embarrassing" withdrawal from southern Iraq in the coming months.

Of course the Times is owned by Rupert Murdoch and he is feeding the same administration friendly propaganda to the Brits that Faux news propagates here at home.

[cbs_oliver]

The story says: "According to Britain''s The Sunday Times newspaper, Stephen Biddle, an adviser to the U.S. military, said that British troops faced an "ugly and embarrassing" withdrawal from southern Iraq in the coming months. He predicted that insurgents and militia groups were likely to target British soldiers with ambushes, roadside bombs and rocket-propelled grenades as they left."

Is Stephen Biddle making a prediction or a threat?

[lostcountry1]

only 168 casualties and the priveledge of serving the new and improved king george, what a deal!

[formrusmcsgt]

"In the coming weeks British troop levels will drop to five thousand, down from 40-thousand after the March 2003 invasion."

As time goes by, more and more finally see that "The Emperor Has No Clothes".....

[iceman_1960]

"Another British newspaper, The Independent, reported Sunday that senior military commanders are urging the government to withdraw British troops from Iraq without further delay, telling the government that Britain could achieve "nothing more" in south-east Iraq."

It seems the British commanders are even less eager to suffer casualties in the cause of shielding George W. Bush from public embarrassment and loss of face.