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mudrose wrote:

"I can see you've really thought this through. Good for you. Because if you read what i initially said you would have to admit that the entire Congress authorized the Iraqi war. Sorry. Can't get around it and it wasn't solely the right that did."

You know what? You are right.

There were plenty of Democrats (in the majority Republican ruled Congress) that voted for war.

Apparently they were victims of the Bush Administration lies, just as most of the American people were.

I mean, who would think that the President would lie as he did?

But, as we now know it, he lied, and he's still lying.

Regardless of who actually supported the war, the blame still lies with those who are calling the shots - the Bush Admin.

Even a Republicanazi has to admit that, especially in light of the fact that the Democrats caved in to GW Bush just so that the troops would have their funding.

Fact is, the GW Bush Administration lied to us on a number of different matters, presented false evidence (they did this in the first Gulf War as well) and are continuing to lie to us.

Do you agree or disagree with that?

lars008 wrote:

"HAMAS MICKEY MOUSE SAYS"

You know lars008, I think Mickey Mouse rules your head.

Time to let go, lars008, time to let go.

[mudrose-2009]

Besides the fact that Mud is having issues today, he's only telling one side of the tale - about disliking dems for not taking responsibility for authorising the war ((?) Big Lie - most already did besides Billary) but rather cunningly leaves out the fact that the repugs are still gong-ho about the whole thing and like him still believe Iraq had something to do with 9/11 - we would be alot safer if we were attacking our actual enemies and not serving Dumbya's fantasy ........ Mud ?
Posted by parrot2

Big Lie. Nah, you have been sleep walking through these past several years. Wasn't that why Spewlosi when to Damascus because it was the road to peace and that the real war is in Afghanistan. Nancy, Harry, etc. You just like to hear yourself talk because the facts say otherwise and you knowit.

[lars008-2009]

remember this vote... hahahaha

403/3
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll608.xml

[lars008-2009]

deter this, they have been training their people in fighting non muslims for 1400 years

FASCIST NAZI ISLAM TO ENSLAVE NON MUSLIM WORLD

HAMAS MICKEY MOUSE SAYS
Islamic rule will benefit Christians and Jews
by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook - May 14, 2007
The force behind Hamas TV%u2019s controversial Mickey Mouse clone said today that his children%u2019s television program will continue to promote worldwide Islamic supremacy, for everyone's benefit, including Christians and Jews.
In a long interview on Hamas TV, Hazim Al-Sha%u2019arawi, Deputy Director of Al-Aqsa TV and one of the creators of the Hamas children%u2019s TV show Tomorrow%u2019s Pioneers, said that using the program to promote Islamic rule over other religions is actually promoting %u201Cjustice, goodness and world love.%u201D
Al-Aqsa TV and the Palestinian Authority have been under fire since PMW reported last week that Tomorrow%u2019s Pioneers was using a character named Farfur, a knockoff of Disney%u2019s Mickey Mouse character, to convey messages about Islamic supremacy as well as hatred of Jews, Israel and the U.S. Despite public statements by PA Minister of Information Mustafa Barghouti that the show would be taken off the air until it could be reviewed and revised, a new episode of the program %u2013 featuring Al-Sha%u2019arawi as one of the hosts %u2013 ran Friday.
http://pmw.org.il/bulletins_may2007.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S995NCeaUg

[radiob-2009]

First off give someone with a opposing view credit when they make a point. Mudrose despite the fact that I disagree with him on the war in Iraq has made several valid points.
(1) Both sides of the political aisle did vote for the war. As a side note most Americans agreed with sending our troops in to take out Saddam. (post 9-11 hysteria) the media supported the invasion.
(2)Radical Islam is not defined by a country. It is a unconventional war, it has no borders.
(3) It is ideology ( a perversion of a Ideology)


The problem with all of this is that by attacking Iraq which was not a threat to the US we have made the threat of terrorism greater (NIE report). The second flaw in this is the assumpition that this war can be won by conventional means. It is a guerilla war. In addition deterrance should be more of a priority, deterring individuals who are not radical from becoming radical.These are loosely knit groups that can regroup and reassemble quickly with no central location, we cannot fight this war conventionally. More special forces for the actual warfare , better intelligence and finally but not last a comprehensive program to deter individuals from becoming terrorist.

[lars008-2009]

fascist nazi islam is not fighting for freedom no more than fascist nazi germnay did...

NONE OF US IS FREE UNLESS ALL ARE FREE!!!

WHY IS IT NOT ONE MUSLIM COUNTRY GRANTS EQUAL RIGHTS TO NON MUSLIMS???

FASCIST NAZI ISLAM SAYS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATES ISLAM LAW...

Universal Declaration of Human Rights
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

For example, in 1981, the Iranian representative to the United Nations, Said Rajaie-Khorassani, articulated the position of his country regarding the Universal Declaration of Human Rights by saying that the UDHR was "a secular understanding of the Judeo-Christian tradition", which could not be implemented by Muslims without trespassing the Islamic law.

http://www.un.org/terrorism/
http://www.un.org/terrorism/strategy-counter-terrorism.html
http://www.un.org/

But the accepted assumption in India is that most of India's Muslims were converted to Islam through the sword. Meaning the Indians were given an option between death or adopting Islam. The third option was getting examined in Islam religion along with heavy taxes- Jeziya (poll tax) and Kharaj (property tax).
http://adaniel.tripod.com/Islam.htm

this is what fascist nazi islam calls peace....

are you ready to live under islam rule as a non muslim???

apartheid fascist nazi islamic style

Rights of Non-Muslims in an Islamic State
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/islamic_state.htm

[lars008-2009]

the war is legal

the resumption of hostilities was only a matter of time since iraq broke the ceasefire agreement.....

blame saddam for iraq%u2026%u2026. Even clintoon and the dems wanted the resumption of hostilities back in 1998

Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/libact103198.pdf
http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/US/Legislation/ILA.htm
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec98/cr100598.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
http://www.house.gov/pelosi/priraq1.htm

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
http://www.cnn.com/US/9802/04/us.un.iraq/

WASHINGTON (Feb. 18) -- In preparing the nation for a possible war with Iraq,
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/18/iraq.political.analysis/

[rafterman1]

===You know what I find absolutely hysterical with arguments like this is that terrorists see themselves as freedom fighters.===

It doesn't matter what you or I think of them. It only matters what they think of themselves. And if they THINK they are fighting for freedom, then they won't quit any more than Americans would if Middle Easterners came over here and tried to occupy a part of the Western Hemisphere.

[jerr11]

you would have to admit that the entire Congress authorized the Iraqi war. Sorry. Can't get around it and it wasn't solely the right that did.

Posted by mudrose at 02:07 PM : Jun 11, 2007



So now we're laying the blame for the war on Congress.

Well, guess who was whipping up the country into a frenzy of war with threats of mushroom clouds and and WMD's and yellow cake from Niger and outing CIA operatives when they were trying to refute these claims.

And weren't those Iraq invasion plans drawn up long before 9/11?

9/11 was a godsent to these warmongers and it was the perfect pretext to put all those prewar invasion plans into action.

Congress was cowed into submission by the slew of fake intel about Saddams' complicity and WMD's, all of which we now learned were manufactured by Cheney, Rove, and company.

The Iraq war is a war of greed, nothing else.

The main instigator for the war happens to be one of its main benefactors!

What more proof do you need?

[mudrose-2009]

The right is trying to erase the borders and make this into a global fight of ideas. But that's the very problem. If it was a fight against a country, Iraq would be over already. We defeated Iraq. But we are losing the battle of ideas. The terrorists cannot be defeated by an army any more than America can be defeated by terrorists. You can't purge the ideas of freedom with force. And to the terrorists, they see their fight as a fight for freedom. As long as this is the case, we can't stamp out terror any more than we can eliminate all crime. Because any a$$hole with a gun and a gripe will always be there.

You know what I find absolutely hysterical with arguments like this is that terrorists see themselves as freedom fighters. Does anyone find that commentary as amusing as I do. Freedom fighters who will kill the people for their islamofacist ideology to keep these people under their thumbs, ignorant woman and children and force them into a form of hardcore islam ideology and their ideology by certain outsiders like the Cindy Sheehan's of the world see them as freedom fighters. There's only one way to kill an ideology, turn the very people they are abusing against them. And I believe that's what is being attempted in Iraq today. Freedom fighters. Amazing. Freedom to enslave the population with their cryptic, catastrophic facistic, 300 year old belief. Amazing.




Posted by Rafterman1

[rafterman1]

Lars, the big people are trying to have a (for once) rational discussion about Iraq. Can you not ruin it with your cut-n-paste jobs?

[rafterman1]

===that the entire Congress authorized the Iraqi war.===

And, as I said, Dems are trying to own up to the mistake and "unauthorize" it with their votes. Repubs are not doing the same.

[lars008-2009]

there is no peace with fascist nazi islam%u2026.. there never has been in it%u2019s 1400 year existence%u2026

dnc are like john adams and want to give the jihadist their lunch money hoping they will leave us alone....

gop are like thomas jefferson and want to spend their lunch money on weapons and go kick the jihadists in their arses.....

What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad

Thomas Jefferson knew about fascist nazi islam..... he killed plenty of them....

In 1786 Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman or (Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves. Jefferson reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:

The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm
muslim justifies slavery and piracy%u2026
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?6bdec278-6a71-4436-bc4d-29d1c54b0ad7

[jerr11]

According to the neocons' assertions that Iraq was somehow responsible for 9/11 despite all the evidence to the ocntrary, we should have attacked Korea too after Pearl Harbor.

This kind of attempt to distort the facts is why we're stuck in the ******** in Iraq right now.

[rafterman1]

===It makes sense to me because Bin Laden was operating out of Afghanistan. And he wasn't in Iraq===

The right is trying to erase the borders and make this into a global fight of ideas. But that's the very problem. If it was a fight against a country, Iraq would be over already. We defeated Iraq. But we are losing the battle of ideas. The terrorists cannot be defeated by an army any more than America can be defeated by terrorists. You can't purge the ideas of freedom with force. And to the terrorists, they see their fight as a fight for freedom. As long as this is the case, we can't stamp out terror any more than we can eliminate all crime. Because any a$$hole with a gun and a gripe will always be there.

[mudrose-2009]

But facts like this don't seem to mean anything to you neocons, because you can make them up or distort them to serve your purposes.

Posted by jerr11

I can see you've really thought this through. Good for you. Because if you read what i initially said you would have to admit that the entire Congress authorized the Iraqi war. Sorry. Can't get around it and it wasn't solely the right that did.

[jerr11]

The mantra, Afghanistan is ok but Iraq is not makes no sense...

Posted by notblue at 01:43 PM : Jun 11, 2007


It makes sense to me because Bin Laden was operating out of Afghanistan. And he wasn't in Iraq.

But facts like this don't seem to mean anything to you neocons, because you can make them up or distort them to serve your purposes.

[rafterman1]

===The mantra, Afghanistan is ok but Iraq is not makes no sense since these radicals have no allegiance to any specific country. Saudi's comprised most of the 911 terrorists.===

So the battlefield to choose is an insurgency-based urban warfare environment thousands of miles from home? That kind of fight was, is and will always be a tactical and strategic loser - the best way for a small force to defeat a more powerful enemy. The French in Indochina, the US in Vietnam, the Soviets in Afghanistan, Israel in Lebanon (twice) all paid the price. How many times do we have to repeat the same stupid mistakes?

You cannot defeat terrorism with military force because, as you yourself said, there are no borders, no country to "defeat". You are trying to use an army to defeat ideas. You must change the ideas - find ways to make the terrorists not want to be terrorists in the first place.

[ofergo]

Now, you can make ANY war a war against terror. Dont you figure that if the army turned its guns towards home they would eventually meet "resistance", or "insurgents", or "terrorists"? No one likes to be occupied and the fact that there today is no excuse for invading in the first place.