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- RandalDS wrote:
"Anyway the only references to a half million children dying in Iraq pre-war were in fact from Saddam himself via UNICEF and blame the sanctions themselves. Next time try to find a credible source."
The irony is that a few years back when the sanctions were in place, pwrslm was probably one of those who claimed the deaths of children probably wasn't true.
And now he's claiming it was true. - Reply to this comment
- Why dont you just GOOGLE it and stop the sham?
Posted by pwrslm at 07:01 PM : Mar 27, 2007
Who's killing the children of Iraq?
Issue of 2002-10-8 - The Globe and Mail
by MARGARET WENTE
...of all the accusations hurled against the West in its treatment of Iraq, the most damning is the human cost of sanctions. According to many peace groups, humanitarian organizations and politicians, sanctions have killed 500,000 Iraqi children. The total death toll from sanctions amounts to a million and a half innocent people.
Are these figures credible?
Only if you believe Saddam Hussein.
The truth is that these numbers come straight from Iraq's mighty propaganda factory. What gives them credibility is that they were endorsed in a 1999 report by Unicef. What's not so well-known is that the report was co-authored by the Iraqi health ministry, and all the statistics were supplied by the Iraqi government."
Dreadfully sorry it took awhile to get back to you pwrslm, but unlike you I actually have a life that doesn't include living in my parents basement and surfing for porn. Anyway the only references to a half million children dying in Iraq pre-war were in fact from Saddam himself via UNICEF and blame the sanctions themselves. Next time try to find a credible source. - Reply to this comment
- Further to my comment, until the Iraqi Gov and Security forces decide to act for * Iraq * instead of their various religions, there will never be peace - regardless of how long the US and other forces remain in Iraq.
Until this happens, peace will just be a pipe dream and we will remain embroiled in this religious civil war.
Al-Qaeda won't stand a chance once that happens.
Of course, much of this depends on the "grand" plans that GW Bush had for Iraq in the first place.
If this war was really about oil (as I suspect), then we will never withdraw - even if Iraq is stable.
After all, GW Bush and ******** Cheney will want to protect their profits (and that of the Carlyle Group). - Reply to this comment
- ToolMangler wrote:
"micma, I mean no disrespect but you are beating a 'dead horse'. Show us an achievable alternative. They didn't care for my "kill 'em all let God sort it out" solution (which was proffered in jest) What have 'you' got?"
Did that "kill 'em all" solution also include GW Bush?
But seriously, there needs to be some major re-thinking in terms of strategy.
Clearly, the Commander In Chief has failed so it's time to let someone else take over and make the appropriate "hard" decisions, at least in terms of Iraq.
Maybe the Generals should be left to think up a "winning" strategy instead of someone who didn't bother turning up for his military service. - Reply to this comment
Truly, I do not want either side to 'win'. I would rather they agree to disagree peacefully. and work out an equitable solution between themselves. But it won't happen.
Posted by ToolMangler at 10:19 PM : Mar 27, 2007
It would apear that you are right on this. As it stands, it doesn't look like they are going to resolve there differences. It will likely take some possitive involvement of Iraq's neighbors to reign in the various factions that are stoking the fire. Most Iraqis now see us as a major cause of the incresing violence true or not.
Honestly, Iraq is a disaster. If we leave it like it is, we're screwed. If we don't leave we're probably screwed as well. Like I said, we're out of good options and running out of bad ones.- Reply to this comment
- They still do not seem to understand that "He who dies with the most 'Toys' still DIES"
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Another good idea, Have you a way to do this legally? I will not support anything else. Too many of my family have died defending my right to do what I am doing right now for me to render their sacrifices useless or wasted.
Posted by ToolMangler at 10:15 PM : Mar 27, 2007
I think that after six years of absolutely no oversight, there are a lot of things that the Bush administration has been involved in that merit a little looking into. If something comes up, in the process of reasonable, oversight that is impeachable then so be it.- Reply to this comment
- ToolMangler
Which side do we want to win in the civil war that has engulfed Iraq?
Posted by micma at 10:06 PM : Mar 27, 2007
Truly, I do not want either side to 'win'. I would rather they agree to disagree peacefully. and work out an equitable solution between themselves. But it won't happen. - Reply to this comment
- "How about we LEAVE them alone. We have NO BUSINESS telling these people how to govern themselves"
Posted by skyk at 09:43 PM : Mar 27, 2007
Again a good idea, 'IF' they would leave us alone. I am all for self governed countries. Do 'you' really think they would "leave us alone" in return?
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"We should start with getting rid of our failed, delusional leadership. Regime change here at home. Bush is a one trick poney and he only knows how to "stay the course"."
Posted by micma at 09:46 PM : Mar 27, 2007
Another good idea, Have you a way to do this legally? I will not support anything else. Too many of my family have died defending my right to do what I am doing right now for me to render their sacrifices useless or wasted. - Reply to this comment
ToolMangler
Which side do we want to win in the civil war that has engulfed Iraq?
Should we back the Pro-Sadam, Sunni extremists that hate us or the Pro-Iranian, Shia extremists that hate us?- Reply to this comment
ToolMangler
Should we trust the same people who dragged us into this war under false pretenses and then horribly mismanaged the occupation to now create a viable exit strategy?- Reply to this comment
- ToolMangler
Which side do we want to win in the civil war that has engulfed Iraq? - Reply to this comment
- America fought for freedom, twice. How bad does Iraq want it?
Posted by pwrslm at 08:58 PM : Mar 27, 2007
Good question. They may not 'want' freedom because they have seen the the most free country on Earth sooner or later finds lawbreakers responsible for their illegal acts. Up til now they have been able to justify their crimes against humanity with a militantly-adjusted view of the Quaran. But like the foibles of 'organized religion' when viewed by the 'free' internet it will cease to hold water under close examination.
Do not misunderstand me, I am 'NOT' denying Jesus or God merely calling previous views to question. The countries dominated by Shia Muslims will not allow unrestricted access to all available knowledge through the internet because they cannot survive it. - Reply to this comment
What have 'you' got?
Posted by ToolMangler at 09:36 PM : Mar 27, 2007
We should start with getting rid of our failed, delusional leadership. Regime change here at home. Bush is a one trick poney and he only knows how to "stay the course".
The Iraq Study Group had some good ideas. But unfortunately Bush was too stuborn to enact most of them and they were time sensitive. As the situation continued to spiral in Iraq, our options have dwindled fast. We ran out of good options months ago and we will soon run out of bad ones under Bush's leadership.- Reply to this comment
What have 'you' got?
Posted by ToolMangler at 09:36 PM : Mar 27, 2007
We should start with getting rid of our failed, delusional leadership. Regime change here at home. Bush is a one trick poney and he only knows how to "stay the course".
The Iraq Study Group had some good ideas. But unfortunately Bush was too stuborn to enact most of them and they were time sensitive. As the situation continued to spiral in Iraq, our options have dwindled fast. We ran out of good options months ago and we will soon run out of bad ones under Bush's leadership.- Reply to this comment
- micma, I mean no disrespect but you are beating a 'dead horse'. Show us an achievable alternative. They didn't care for my "kill 'em all let God sort it out" solution (which was proffered in jest) What have 'you' got?
Posted by ToolMangler at 09:36 PM : Mar 27, 2007
How about we LEAVE them alone. We have NO BUSINESS telling these people how to govern themselves and it should be obvious to any IDIOT by now that they are not going to give President STUPID anything close to a Democracy. You see, as any Vietnam Vet can tell you, you can not "GIVE" our system to other people. They must be willing to fight for it. They must be willing to stand up for the right of OTHERS to believe what they want, even if they can't stand that belief. It was a BAD IDEA and it's not going to change no matter how many millions you dump into it or how many lives you waste. We have NO BUSINESS acting like we KNOW whats best for these people, especially when our OWN leader trashes OUR constitution. So how about we just back off, make sure they aren't invaded and let them settle their own problems. I do believe that's what was ONCE called the AMERICAN WAY. BEFORE this southern nazi and his lies came along. - Reply to this comment
pwrslm
How much should we spend forcing Western style Democracy on Iraq? One trillion? Two trillion? Three?- Reply to this comment
- How many of Bush's failed plans should we suffer before we face the bitter truth that he doesn't know what he's doing and never did?
Posted by micma at 09:31 PM : Mar 27, 2007
micma, I mean no disrespect but you are beating a 'dead horse'. Show us an achievable alternative. They didn't care for my "kill 'em all let God sort it out" solution (which was proffered in jest) What have 'you' got? - Reply to this comment
- So, who is the good neighbor? Iran? Syria? any of the Arab nations that profess unity under Islam? or Germany? France? Russia? Who conived with Saddam to siphone oil from Iraq to make no one but Saddam wealthy?
You tell us. Even though they slaughter each other, they are free from a tyrants rule. Yes, America fought for freedom, twice. How bad does Iraq want it?
Posted by pwrslm at 08:58 PM : Mar 27, 2007
Let's get back to the POINT of the Invasion here Sparky!! George W. Bush stood right there in front of you, me and every American. He told us that UNLESS we attacked Iraq NOW, we faced almost certain attacks on this nation from WMD's that Saddam had. He said we could NOT wait on UN inspectors to look for those weapons. Why? Because he had PHYSICAL PROOF that they existed and would be used. He had the "Smoking Gun". Now you can spin and spin but THAT is what he told this nation because he and that slime dog Cheney KNEW that the people of this nation would NOT support an invasion of another Country any other way. THEY LIED. Now maybe you can live with that garbage that you sell but as a Combat Veteran who has been in the boots of these men I WILL NOT! Now go peddle your garbage someplace else!! - Reply to this comment
pwrslm
Do we just need to shut up and send our money and our children to Iraq and not expect acountability for the results?- Reply to this comment
