Comments on: U.S. And Iranian Envoys Talk In Iraq

At Summit, U.S. Calls On Iraq's Neighbors To Help End Violence

[karlimhof]

The chief U.S. delegate, David Satterfield, said Thursday that "we are not going to turn and walk away" if approached by Iran or Syria to discuss Iraq. But Satterfield, the top State Department adviser on Iraq, added that the United States plans to use the meeting to reinforce its accusations against both nations.

-David Satterfield-

Our local AIPAC neocon conspirator, of course, would NOT dare to say:

"we have high hopes that together with the regional partners, we can find solutions to end this violence and permit American troops to return home"

no, he prefers confrontation.

Far as I'm concerned, this conference is dead in the water with neocon jokers, and AIPAC lackies like satterfield there.

[tuckerndfw]

tbweb,

If it's any consolation, there are currently millions (??) of refugees who have fled the war zone with their families.

Most of them are in Iran, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon or other places the US seems to want to attack.

There is no easy solution.

But, the longer we drag this out by threatening everyone in the region except Israel, the worse it will be.

[bluestardad]

karlimhof; I read your post and know what you are talking about to be true. But what do we do except inform our leadership and hope they do something. America people are not ready for an uprising yet because these AIPAC neocons permit enough of us to experience a semi good life but right on the edge of open Revolt. Now with this war they started America is finally opening its eyes to their meddling in our National affairs! The Time is coming when we will purge them from our midts

[tbweb]

--tuckerndfw

It just seems like removing the kids from the war zone is the lesser evil, kind of like going away to school for a while until the bloodshed ends. The inconvenient truth is the violence on both sides is removing parents and love ones from the kids anyway and do the kids need to watch it "LIVE" while it happens? It almost like pick your poison! The Iraq war has now lasted longer than WWII.

[bluestardad]

Remember AIPAC, Israeli and Saudi Arabian Neocon Supporters are pushing America to fight their wars for them!

Founded in 1953 by Isaiah L. "Si" Kenen, AIPAC's original name was the American Zionist Committee for Public Affairs. According to UCLA political science professor and author, Steven Spiegel, "the tension between the Eisenhower administration and Israeli supporters was so acute that there were rumors that the administration would investigate the American Zionist Council. Therefore, an independent lobbying committee was formed, which years later was renamed [AIPAC]." [SPIEGEL, p. 52].[citation needed] Today, AIPAC has over 100,000 members.[1]
Activities and stated goals
AIPAC's stated purpose is to lobby the Congress of the United States on issues and legislation "to ensure that the U.S.-Israel relationship is strong so that both countries can work together" to meet the challenges of "stopping Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, fighting terrorism and achieving peace".[2] It regularly meets with members of Congress and holds events where it can share its views. It also provides analysis of the voting records of U.S. federal representatives and senators with regard to how they voted on legislation related to Israel. The New York Times described AIPAC on July 6, 1987 as "a major force in shaping United States policy in the Middle East."
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[karlimhof]

Thank GOD that Alien Secretary Rice is not involved with these talks. That gives them a limited chance for success!
Posted by bluestardad


Did you not see my posting about our "chief" delegate, Mr. Satterfield ?

He's for sure a "shadow neocon" - this guy talked national security with AIPAC!

How is he going to push for peace through negotiations when that isn't his objective. This type of guy will use this forum to blast Iran and Syria as best he can. Doesn't give a hoot about Iraq now that it is ours.

[tuckerndfw]

Thank GOD that Alien Secretary Rice is not involved with these talks. That gives them a limited chance for success!

Posted by bluestardad at 07:20 AM : Mar 10, 2007

*ROFL*

Thanks for the laugh, I needed that.

Maybe the US should outsource the State Department. If we hired professional diplomats and negotiators, we would stand a far better chance than allowing anyone in the Bush administration to do the negotiating.

[tuckerndfw]

tbweb,

Once again, we agree in principle.

But attempting to take people's kids away, for whatever reason, would probably not lead to a good outcome.

While it is true that exposing kids to violence quite often leads to more of the same, we can only hope that the situation can be stabilized as quickly as possible to mitigate that outcome.

Having said that, the legacy of the invasion of Iraq, and subsequent violence, will most likely be a generation of people who resort to violence or "terrorism" to resolve their disagreements.

That was predicted before the invasion and has not changed. And is one reason it is valid to claim that the invasion produced more "terrorists" than it eliminated.

The US will be hated for at least one generation as a direct result of the invasion of Iraq. And, removing the children at this point would only increase that resentment when the kids grow up without their natural families and come to realize they lost their families due to US policies.

It is truly a no win situation at his point. The best we can hope for is to lessen the potential for future violence or "terrorism" by resolving this as quickly as possible.

I am not disagreeing with your principle argument, but we disagree that removing kids from their families would be an effective solution.

[bluestardad]

THE DELIGATES SHOULD HIT BUSH UP FOR FUNDING AL QAEDA IN LEBANON!

Bush is playing all of us for suckers! He is supporting al Qaeda in Lebanon with funds from Iraq! The recently resigned terrorist Czar ask for a demotion to deputy Secretary of State Because he did not want to be tangled up with another Iran Contra style Funding Fiasco that is going on in Lebanon. While you are at it Can the Democratic Leadership really deliver on getting America out of Iraq as America wanted November 7, 2006? Here is the stream read it yourself!

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/070305fa_fact_hersh


Thank GOD that Alien Secretary Rice is not involved with these talks. That gives them a limited chance for success!

[tbweb]

--tuckerndfw

Usually when adults disagree and can't resolve their differences there was always hope that the next generation, the kids inheriting the future would be able to resolve old issues and differences through education and understanding and learning from past mistakes. The war torn environment in Iraq does not allow the planting of seeds (The Children) to take hold. Iraq must protect its future, kids should be given a top priority and a safe haven, kids are Iraqs future. The current situation in Iraq is not only destroying the present but the future as well. There should be a way to remove the kids from the conflict into safe zones so that the Iraqi kids can at least attend school. The same applies to all kids in conflict zones around the world!

[karlimhof]

WHO IS OUR "CHIEF US DELEGATE" SATTERFIELD ?????
(WIKIPEDIA)
David Michael Satterfield (born December 18, 1954) is an American diplomat who served extensively in the Middle East, including the Persian Gulf, Lebanon, and Iraq. He now serves as a Senior Advisor on Iraq for Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

His name came up in the AIPAC/Larry Franklin Pentagon mole case. The indictment, however, did not accuse Satterfield of any wrongdoing, and he was never indicted.

In the indictment: U.S. v. Lawrence Anthony Franklin, Steven J. Rosen, Keith Weissman, USGO-2 is mentioned, and in a New York Times article: David Satterfield, deputy chief of the United States Mission in Baghdad, is identified as USGO-2. In early 2002, Satterfield discussed secret national security matters in two meetings with Steven J. Rosen. The meetings, on January 18, 2002, and March 12, 2002, were confirmed by classified documents. The indictment, however, did not accuse Satterfield of any wrongdoing.


Satterfield "discussed" secret national security matters with AIPAC ????

This guy is tainted and now doing what for us to end this war? Starting another one with Iran?

[tuckerndfw]

Tbweb,

I agree with your point, but if adults are not secure, they can hardly be expected to provide security for their families.

Unfortunately, children will always be the first victims in any conflict, whether it is a heated argument without violence, or a full blown war.

But, such is life.

The fact remains that the only real issue on the table is how the parties can best come to an agreement on how to work together to end the violence and instability.

No other issue is of a greater concern than that one. And, it is in the US's own best interests to do whatever it takes (within reasonable limits) to ensure all parties can work together.

Threatening Iran and Syria (or anyone else) will not lead to that conclusion.


As an aside and totally off topic, the point you raise is one I strongly consider when I read about the mindless violence between Palestinians and Israelis. I don't care who did what to whom or when, it appears neither side is concerned about what they are doing to the children, including their own.

Oh, well.

[tbweb]

-- tuckerndfw

Someone has to speak up for the kids too. The kids have no voice in the Iraq conflicts. The kids just suffer in silence! The adults on all sides, every single adult group, have failed the kids. Imagine being a kid in Iraq, the Iraq kids don't even have the distraction of school! Recently the kids were playing soccer and they were still targeted and blown up as they were trying to play. Kids are innocent, kids have no real agenda, kids are the future, kids are just kids! All the adults involved on all sides dropped the ball big time on the issues related to the Iraqi kids.

[tuckerndfw]

Establishing a stable government in Iraq supercedes any other concerns the US or any other nation may have.

Allowing the dialogue to be sidetracked negates any point to having negotiations.

The US should be grateful other nations are willing to participate. And, if the US does not restrict its dialogue to the situation in Iraq, it is pointless for the US to participate.

Discussions of Iran's nuclear weapons' programs, Israel's "security," or any other unrelated issues should not be allowed.

Stabilizing Iraq benefits the US most of all. And the US should act accordingly. "Staying the course" of war mongering and threatening people is no longer an option. It is demonstrably ineffective.

As is the Bush administration. Which will unfortunately probably lead to more of the same until Bush is thrown out of office.