Comments on: U.S. And Iranian Envoys Talk In Iraq

At Summit, U.S. Calls On Iraq's Neighbors To Help End Violence

[j-whitman]

Tweb,,,, Front, center & again deadly wrong.

[tbweb]

-- j-whitman & -- tuckerndfw

I would agree with you both if President Bush and the Bush administration represented the American heartlands views and attitudes towards family and children but it doesn't! As public opinion polls clearly show, the Bush administration is in the miniority on a host of views and issues, it just happens to be in power by American law and thus its views are front and center.

[j-whitman]

Hell,, Bush can't even keep the troops we have there equipped or trained & he wants to send 4,000 more ???

[diplomacy3]

tuckerndfw:

Saudis would never like Iraq turn into a Shiitte fiefdom,nor would they like the US presence there either. That's why the recent Iranian President's visit was to reassure the Saudis. Iran, Syria and Saudi can always sit together but sans the US. That's going to be seen in the coming months. The announcement of more than 4000 troops to Iraq by President Bush today would diminish the possibility of any further talks.

[j-whitman]

The only children Bush cares about are the twins... Here's a perfect example,,, No Child Left Behind,,, created more high school drop out's than any time in modern history.

[j-whitman]

Tweb,,,,, "History shows America draws the line when it comes to the well being of kids, kids come first."
Posted by tbweb at 12:13 AM : Mar 11, 2007

That was our old history when we actually went to war ALL other measures failed against an agressor nation ---
-- This is the New Bush History after America became the Agressor Nation.

[tuckerndfw]

If plan B doesn't finish the job,, Bush will build some ovens, big ones.

Posted by j-whitman at 12:22 AM : Mar 11, 2007

Might as well. The Bush administration already built a concentration camp in Cuba. The victims are better fed, but they are still being confined for no particular reason other than their religion.

And, we have secret prisons, so maybe we are already incinerating people.

Who knows?

[tuckerndfw]

History shows America draws the line when it comes to the well being of kids, kids come first.

Posted by tbweb at 12:13 AM : Mar 11, 2007

We agree on the children issue, as we already discussed.

I have travelled much of the world and in my experience, all societies value their children. That is not unique to the US.

Of all the societies on earth, Americans appear to value children & families less than other cultures. Middle Eastern people tend to place extremely high value on their families & children. Which is part of the problem the US is having in Iraq.

Murdering someone's child, regardless if it is called "collateral damage" or any other excuse, is considered one of the most heinous offenses a person can commit.

And, will usually result in extreme hatred towards and/or retribution against those responsible.

The US government historically ignores "collateral damage" when waging war. The US had no special concerns for "collateral damage" (the children) in the civil war, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam or Iraq.

We disagree that the US government is concerned about the children who are murdered or otherwise victimized by US foreign policy.

[j-whitman]

Tweb,,,, Bush's plan B -- Will also stop food rationing for Iraq's children... The entire population of Iraq relies on rationing to feed thier families..

[j-whitman]

Here's the link to plan B

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17560144/

[j-whitman]

If plan B doesn't finish the job,, Bush will build some ovens, big ones.

[j-whitman]

What do you know,
, Bush does have a plan B,, they are working on it now --- Cutting off food rationing for all the Iraq people in 2008.
... Our alternate to the A-Bomb in Japan was poisoning Japan's food supply.

[tbweb]

--tuckerndfw

U.S. Corporations are about money and profit but in defense of the U.S. in the area of Children, the U.S. has a weakness for kids and is child friendly, I think history shows that. History shows America draws the line when it comes to the well being of kids, kids come first. Foreign powers that key on that will find America's soft spot and the keys to America's heart!

[tuckerndfw]

Rightly, the Iranian side first demanded our withdrawal from Iraq and the Syrians followed suit.

Posted by diplomacy3 at 11:42 PM : Mar 10, 2007

We agree.

The only effective solution is for the US to remove all (or most) combat troops from Iraq and begin to work constructively with all parties, including Syrians & Iranians.

The US would do far better having civil affairs personnel on the ground working cooperatively than by having combat troops roaming around Iraq killing Iraqis.

While it is not so simple as that in the application (Saudis and other Sunni led nations do not want Iran & Iraq to cooperate), that is where any long term solution must begin.

[tuckerndfw]

In my opinion in order for these talks to work discussions should start with common interest.

Posted by tbweb at 11:18 PM : Mar 10, 2007

It is hard to have meaningful discussions when one of the parties only interest is in gaining or retaining total control of a nation's natural resources.

So long as ExxonMobil's (et al) profits are the primary concern of the US, there will be no "common interest" that can be agreed upon.

Children do not vote, cannot effectively wage war and have little or no money to spend. And are irrelevant to ExxonMobil's goal of retaining exclusive control of Iraq's oil and gas fields.

Which means they are irrelevant to the Bush administration and/or US foreign policy.

[diplomacy3]

How can we expect Iran and Syria to cooperate while we occupy Iraq which for them is our recognition as their neighbors. Rightly, the Iranian side first demanded our withdrawal from Iraq and the Syrians followed suit.

[tuckerndfw]

Clever: He did not show those documents to the Iranian. Iran wants evidence and so does Syria. We don't give them. We say we have it.

Posted by diplomacy3 at 11:18 PM : Mar 10, 2007

Actually, it is irrelevant.

If the goal is to establish constructive dialogue, all past issues are moot. Negotiators begin with the current situation and discuss how to move forward.

Referring to past events or allegations that have little or nothing to do with the intended outcome indicates the negotiator is not serious.

It is obvious the Bush administration has no intention of moving forward. And, is going to use the pretense of negotiating as an excuse to continue instigating the violence and instability in Iraq.

We can expect the Bush administration to walk away, vilify everyone else, and continue down the same path of promoting more of the same violence and instability. Or, "stay the course."

The US is proving that the Bush administration has no intention of negotiating in good faith. Or, seeking peace and stability.

Peace will only come when G. Bush and D. Cheney are thrown out of the White House. And that is not guaranteed if voters unwisely elect another president who has been bought by ExxonMobil (et al).

[clestes-2009]

Yes I hardly think that pointing to a briefcase and claiming to have proof of illegal activity, but showing nothing is diplomacy that is going to work.

I don't know why the US is even bothering to show up at this meeting. It is clear that David what his name isn't making any effort to engage in dialog.

[diplomacy3]

tbweb

That's reconstruction of Iraq, first priority, which is hampered by car and suicide bombings.

[tbweb]

In my opinion in order for these talks to work discussions should start with common interest. Since everyone is hopefully interested in the well being of Iraqi children and making sure the Iraqi children get back to school as soon as possible after a 4 year absence, discussions should start and end with Iraq's kids first! If the issues relating to Iraq's children are taken care of, including security, food, clean water, shelter, "SCHOOL" and access to "MEDICAL" care, all the other problems and issues will take care of themselves! It's all about Iraq's future and Iraq's children are its future, focus should now be on the Iraqi Kids, the Iraqi adults had their shot and blew it!!