Comments on: Pentagon Watchdog Slams Prewar Intel

Investigation Finds Efforts To Link Al Qaeda And Iraq Were Inappropriate — But Legal

[feelfree1]

pwrslm,

Re: "The war never formally ended, and the use of force by member nations was still authorized"

If this was true (it's not), how do you explain the desperate attempt, and spectacular failure of the Bush pirates to gain an actionable UNSC Resolution, ahead of the illegal invasion of Iraq?

Was this just for fun?

[formrusmcsgt]

pwrslm,

In 1992, the United States Secretary of Defense during the war, *** Cheney, made the same point:

"I would guess if we had gone in there, I would still have forces in Baghdad today. We'd be running the country. We would not have been able to get everybody out and bring everybody home.

And the final point that I think needs to be made is this question of casualties. I don't think you could have done all of that without significant additional U.S. casualties, and while everybody was tremendously impressed with the low cost of the (1991) conflict, for the 146 Americans who were killed in action and for their families, it wasn't a cheap war.

And the question in my mind is, how many additional American casualties is Saddam (Hussein) worth? And the answer is, not that damned many. So, I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the President made the decision that we'd achieved our objectives and we were not going to go get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq."

[pwrslm]

The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait resulted in the UN Sanctioned Gulf War known as "Desert Storm" which started on 2 August 1990 and ended on 28 February 1991.

You try to justify an invasion in March, 2003, as a continuation of a war that was over 12 years earlier and have the cheek to ask me "is this the best you have"?

ROFLMAO.

Posted by formrusmcsgt at 12:47 AM : Feb 10, 2007

So, where is the peace agreement?

There isnt one. The war was in a declaired cease fire, under agreement by both Kuwait and Iraq.

The war never formally ended, and the use of force by member nations was still authorized, as I showed you several times now, to enforce compliance.

Iraq violated the cease fire agreeement. The cease fire was null and void. The state of war never ended.

Or is that too difficult for you to understand?

Then again, if you understand that, what UNSC Res withdrew the authority to use force?

Thre was none. Nada. Never happened.

The UNSC members became corrupt, rendering that institution unworthy of respect (UN oil for food program). Heck, Russia was telling Saddam where and when US Forces were coming, and we even hit one of thier Diplomatic missions inside of Iraq as they were shuttling Saddam's favorites out of the country. France too. China too. Every one of them protecting ill gained riches from Iraq, ignoring thier duty under the UN Charter.

And Billy boy just watched them do it.

Did I call him a coward yet?

[formrusmcsgt]

So you are blaming the illegal Bush invasion of Iraq, and subsequent multi-front defeats, on the democraps' balls?
Posted by feelfree1 at 12:52 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Hey, it's as good as any of his other arguments, eh?

[formrusmcsgt]

pwrslm-

by Jacob G. Hornberger, November 21, 2002

U.S. officials have always claimed that the U.S. government, as a member of the United Nations, has the right to unilaterally enforce any resolution of the United Nations. Such a position, however, is patently fallacious.

Enforcement of an organization's rules and regulations belongs to THE ORGANIZATION ITSELF, not to each and every individual member of the organization.

[feelfree1]

formrusmcsgt,

You are always welcome.

[feelfree1]

pwrslm,

Re: "psst- the Republicans have been in power for the last 6 years, hence, bear the bulk responsibility."

"Psst-thats because the democraps did not have the balls to do the job."

So you are blaming the illegal Bush invasion of Iraq, and subsequent multi-front defeats, on the democraps' balls?

[formrusmcsgt]

feelfree1-

Thanks. Obviously I erred in my recollection that the zones were UN sanctioned.

One can always sharpen their grasp if they are willing to open their eyes, no?

[formrusmcsgt]

Or did you sleep through the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait?

Is this the best you have?
Posted by pwrslm at 12:41 AM : Feb 10, 2007

The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait resulted in the UN Sanctioned Gulf War known as "Desert Storm" which started on 2 August 1990 and ended on 28 February 1991.

You try to justify an invasion in March, 2003, as a continuation of a war that was over 12 years earlier and have the cheek to ask me "is this the best you have"?

ROFLMAO.

[feelfree1]

pwrslm,

You keep bringing up Clinton. Can't the Bush regime stand on its own? Are you conceding that your rotating arguments have been debunked?

[pwrslm]

"psst- the Republicans have been in power for the last 6 years, hence, bear the bulk responsibility."

Psst-thats because the democraps did not have the balls to do the job.

Or do you actually think that our thousands of non-Muslim troops in the Saudi Arabian Desert belonged there?

Face it, if they were not there, and not watching Saddam in Iraq, bin Laden would not have hit the WTC.

We violated a sacred principal of core, Orthodox Islam by staying there.

[feelfree1]

formrusmcsgt,

I think that you might find this article to be interesting.

www.fff.org/comment/com0211h.asp

[pwrslm]

The UN charter states that member nations will only engage in war if attacked or in support of another member nation that is attacked.

Neither case applied to Iraq.

Posted by formrusmcsgt at 12:33 AM : Feb 10, 2007

So your evading the issue again?

Or did you sleep through the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait?

Or forget what a cease fire is?

Maybe you dont understand the word compliance, or is it just the act of compliance that you dont recognize?

Face it, our boys were over there, in a war zone, for 8 years while Clinton got to play funny games with Lewinski in the Oval Office.

What is it about the authorization by the UNSC to use force that you dont understand?

Face it, your leaving holes big enough to fly dozens of C-130's through.

Why all the dancing, simple facts are usually true. If they are not, you sure are missing a great shot at proving your point.

Is this the best you have?

[feelfree1]

pwrslm,

Re: "Actually, Democraps have been scapegoating this on the GOP for 6 years."

psst- the Republicans have been in power for the last 6 years, hence, bear the bulk responsibility.

Can any Republican take any 'personal responsibility' for their failures, or do they just like to talk about this concept?

[formrusmcsgt]

Or do you want to dispute the fact that Clinton left our troops in the valley of the shadow of death (in and over Iraq/Kuwait) for his entire tenure?
Posted by pwrslm at 12:34 AM : Feb 10, 2007

Enforcing the UN mandated "no fly" zones was a legal act, unlike Bush's invasion.

[formrusmcsgt]

Actually, Democraps have been scapegoating this on the GOP for 6 years.

Posted by pwrslm at 12:32 AM : Feb 10, 2007

I am not a Democrat, but it was a Repub who wanted and started this boondoggle. Who else SHOULD be blamed for it?

Having a few drinks tonight, are we?

[feelfree1]

pwrslm,

Re: "Meaning that the corruption of the UNSC permanent members was a conflict in that members violated the UN Charter"

No. Meaning that their actions were illegal, but they chose to do them anyway, because they claimed that it was "right". It wasn't, and their actions represent a plethora of very serious crimes.

I give you points for imagination, though.

[pwrslm]

Or do you want to dispute the fact that Clinton left our troops in the valley of the shadow of death (in and over Iraq/Kuwait) for his entire tenure?

[formrusmcsgt]

Meaning that the corruption of the UNSC permanent members was a conflict in that members violated the UN Charter, effectively making the UN a trivial, ineffective body incapable of enforcing international law.

Posted by pwrslm at 12:31 AM : Feb 10, 2007

The UN charter states that member nations will only engage in war if attacked or in support of another member nation that is attacked.

Neither case applied to Iraq.

[pwrslm]

Actually, Democraps have been scapegoating this on the GOP for 6 years.

Just like your doing now.

Funny, isnt it!!