Comments on: Baghdad Bombing Death Toll Rises

Casualty Count Reads 137 Dead From Worst Single Bomb Attack Since Start Of War

[gladys_over]

The man who was right on the money from the beginning: Senator Barack Obama.

From his Senate speech, October 26, 2002:

"I don%u2019t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perles and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne...

Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I%u2019m opposed to dumb wars."

[whatithink-2009]

I would rather my tax dollars be wasted in America than in Iraq. Why are we there? Why did we invade? Somebody please get somebody into office finally who makes some sense. Who was the dummy who decided we should have four more years of this kook????

[nyckate]

exusmcsg

I was thinking that unfortunately the anniversary date of invasion is quickly coming up.

And well more and more in Congress including GOP see Bush has having failed badly - and those senators and congressmen looking at their own elections in 2008 are going to be seriously considering their own political careers - being tied to Bush was really bad for GOP in 2006 - its only going to be worse in 2008!

Sio maybe impeachment or lessening of Bush's controls over Iraq may not be out of reach -- something has to give and I truly don't believe Bush/Cheney have it in them to bring Iraq situation under control.

Oh and of course if Bush is impeached Cheney must be also -- funny - I have no intention ofo voting for Hillary - but I have no problem saying "President Pelosi"!!!

[exusmcsgt]

nyckate-

first of all, we invaded Iraq almost 4 years ago, not 5.

Secondly, the strategy you propose can only be brought about through impeachment under the Constitution.

Impeachment requires a 2/3 vote in the Senate. The Dems only have a 51-49 majority and that is if you count Lieberman as a Dem.

I share your sentiments, but we are stuck with this moron for 2 more years. Period.

[nyckate]

What do we all know about US and Iraq?

We know that we are there almost 5 years now and all Bush has done is fail. So we know Bush can't continue to make the military, political and financial decisions on Iraq.

Personally I think the only option left for Americans is to actively petition our congress to wrest control (legally) for Iraq away from the Bush Administration so that they appoint an experienced, knowledgeable and capable commission to run the quagmire that is iraq.

Congress has to take America back from the neocons.

[exusmcsgt]

This from MSNBC regarding a December 7, 2006, meeting at the White House:

The president did seem mildly chastened by his party's defeat in the midterm elections%u2014but not inclined to change course dramatically in Iraq.

He compared his situation to the crisis Harry Truman faced in the early days of the cold war. Then, as now, Bush said, the United States confronted a dangerous ideological foe. Truman had answered with the Truman Doctrine, a vow to protect free peoples wherever they were threatened with communist domination. Truman's policies had been unpopular in their time, but "history showed he was right," said Bush, according to Sen. *** Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democrat in the Senate.

The Truman comparison didn't seem quite right to Durbin. When the president went to him for comment, Durbin voiced his doubts. "Harry Truman had allies," Durbin pointed out. The Truman administration had helped create the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to contain communism. After Britain withdraws its troops later this year, Durbin says he told Bush, "we will be virtually alone in what we are trying to accomplish there."

Durbin says that Bush did not become angry, but he did seem irritated and "insisted that this was an ideological struggle, which wasn't my point at all," says Durbin. "He was very defensive."

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Typical......

[exusmcsgt]

his black/white view makes him think that the seniors have nothing to give him.
Posted by nyckate at 10:11 AM : Feb 04, 2007

Funding more of the boondoggle (he hopes) could have a positive impact on his legacy (as in "Hail Mary").

Funding Medicare will not. You're absolutely correct.

[itchyb-2009]

The time is long overdue to end this shell game that Cheney/Bush & Co. are playing and bring the troops home. Sending more in is only going to provide more targets. They are going to roll the dice with our own people on the outside chance that something will get better. Bush is a sociopath and has serious brain problems, and Cheney is the calculating director behind Bush. He would have fit very well in Hitlers inner circle.

[nyckate]

exusmcsg - Bush is cutting medicare for american seniors in favor of supporting his extraordinary failure of Iraq because basically he cares little for the plight of American in general - his black/white view makes him think that the seniors have nothing to give him.

[exusmcsgt]

It only leaves one to wonder what it would take for our leaders to realize this war is a disaster!
Posted by grumpas at 09:17 AM : Feb 04, 2007

While Bush/Cheny/Rice have proven in spades to the world that they are ignorant and naive and they still try to portray the situation as salvageable, they know it's over.

At this point, their only intention is to try to stretch it out through Bush's last two years so they can try to blame Bush's successor for the failure and try to avoid his having the legacy of a complete moron.

Bush will still have the legacy of a moron, regardless.

[grumpas]

It only leaves one to wonder what it would take for our leaders to realize this war is a disaster! Or do any of them have a clue what the word disaster means in lives, money and property? I am starting to believe they would let every male and female die before they would admit it was a mistake!

[exusmcsgt]

In the same week that Bush calls for $245 billion more for Ira on top of the $400 billion already spent, he also calls for $66 billion to be axed from Medicare. To wit:

"To address the growth of entitlement programs, Mr. Bush's budget proposal contains about a 1 percentage point cut in the rapid growth in Medicare to squeeze about $66 billion in savings over five years from the federal health care program for the elderly."

Bush obviously has no problem asking our already squeezed elderly to do with even less so he can continue throwing billions at his boondoggle in Iraq.

Absolutely disgusting.

NIE states "Unless efforts to reverse these conditions show measurable progress ... in the coming 12 to 18 months, we assess that the overall security situation will continue to deteriorate," a declassified synopsis of the report declared.

The efforts over the last four years have shown measurable progress - negative progress, that it. Hardly justification for a continued investment of American treasure and warriors.

[acauble1]

I never supported this war to begin with.

However, as recently as a month ago I thought:

- We shouldn't leave Iraq prematurely, otherwise the chaos over there would only get worse and potentially involve the whole Middle East region as opposed to just Iraq.

Now, my thoughts are:

F'CK THEM! F'CK THEM ALL!! LET THEM ALL KILL EACH OTHER OR DEFEND THEMSELVES. NO MORE AMERICANS SHOULD BE KILLED FOR THIS BS!
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