Comments on: Intel Report: Iraq Challenges "Daunting"

NIE: Inadequate Iraqi Forces, Sectarian Fighting Makes Situation Tough To Improve

[frankly6]

singinrick is right. Bush is an arrogant, incompetent idiot that must be stopped before he does more damage to the country and the world.

[gdmoore2]

bluestardad - That was a serious comment. Have you communicated that to your senator or representative? Good point.

[grazinggoat]

CBS: U.S. Helicopter Shot Down In Iraq, 2 Dead
Top U.S. General: Insurgent Ground Fire %u201CMore Effective%u201D; 4th Aircraft Lost In 2 Weeks.

No wonder why Walking-Liar wants $240 Billions for 2007 and 2008

[feelfree1]

The bloodthirsty and Satanic Bush regime is responsible for the violent deaths of more than a half-million Iraqi men, women, and children, according to the best available estimate. They are responsible for the humiliation, wrongful imprisonment, torture, rape, and/or sodomy of millions more.

The Iraq debacle represents one of the greatest military, economic, and moral deafeats of our country's history.

To the honorable people of the U.S. and the world, it is time to put an end to the horrific Bush regime campaign of terror.

Please visit:

www.ipetitions.com/petition/OutNow

[bluestardad]

For anyone with a bit of military experience you will know that even at platoon levels plans are analyzed. The tools may be a stick and some dirt but they are analyzed. At Company level and above they are analyzed to a greater degree up to computer planning analysis. Computers like the Advanced Field Artillery Tactical Data System (AFATDS) serve this purpose giving real time variable analysis to commanders. The AFATDS computer analyzes all types of data to give Course of Action Analysis for possible scenarios. This Computer is in use now in the military in the Middle East and the data is available for all commanders! On CSPAN General Casey Jr. told Senator Warner that he was not aware of any War Gaming for the New Surge! He was unaware if the plan had even been tried on Paper! The Government spent multi Millions of tax dollars giving him a computer that would analyze possible courses of action for him. This General currently is suppose to be the General in Charge of the Iraq War! General Casey is now under consideration for the Chief of Staff of the Army! Can you accept that he is not aware if the Iraq Surge Plan we are debating had ever been War Gamed to determine plausibility, probability of Success, or any type of supporting Course of Action Analysis had been done to determine a possible outcome! It is criminally negligent to send 21,000 more troops to a war where the plan had never been analyzed for success!

[t_barr]

"Another very good example of a CIA-organized regime change was a coup in 1963 that employed political assassination, mass imprisonment, torture and murder. This was the military coup that first brought Saddam Hussein's beloved Ba'ath Party to power in Iraq. At the time, Richard Helms was Director for Plans at the CIA. That is the top CIA position responsible for covert actions, like organizing coups."

So, who is worse? The Puppet, or the Agency that put the Puppet into power?

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html

Maybe if we just stopped messing with other people's counties they wouldn't feel hostility towards us. What goes around comes around. Do onto others......

[feelfree1]

From: 'Negroponte and the escalation of death':

"Under the "Salvador Option", Negroponte had assistance from his colleague from his days in Central America during the 1980s, retired Colonel James Steele. Steel, whose title in Baghdad was counselor for Iraqi security forces, supervised the selection and training of members of the Badr Organization and Mehdi Army, the two largest Shi'ite militias in Iraq, to target the leadership and support networks of a primarily Sunni resistance."

"Planned or not, these death squads promptly spiraled out of control to become the leading cause of death in Iraq. Intentional or not, the scores of tortured, mutilated bodies that turn up on the streets of Baghdad each day are generated by the death squads whose impetus was Negroponte. And it is this US-backed sectarian violence that largely led to the hell-disaster that Iraq is today."

www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IA11Ak03.html

[migrainegram]

We can debate this situation ad infinitum. However, the bottom line is the United States would not be where it is were it not for President Bush and Vice President Cheney. Had the administration chosen to compromise, it would not find itself at a standoff with Congress and the American people. It is often better to take the high road rather than the one of ego, saving face, and being right.

They bought it, they own it. Unfortunately, we and our troops are the ones paying for it.

[jimibear]

"thats right jimibear.

never should have wasted our time,people and money. there were nations that were ten times worse than iraq, and we are not invading them.
Posted by usadvisor101 at 05:27 PM : Feb 02, 2007
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Exactly, usadvisor101. Largely, I think, because those other countries don't have the 2nd largest oil reserves on the planet.

[jimibear]

Also, did you ever consider that without the Palestinians having had their country stolen so the Jews could have a country of their own, there would be no Hamas? There are effects to causes, and sometimes our actions are the causes.
"and yet you do not accuse the muslims of doing just that..... they started in mecca...... and they are still trying to take pieces of countries from the philippines, thailand, india again, russia, china, eu again, africa, etc etc etc......

Posted by lars008 at 05:25 PM : Feb 02, 2007
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Lars, I see your point, but it's not really the same thing. There are indigenous Muslim populations in those countries, so it is actually intra-national strife. Unless we are asked to step in and help, that's their business.

What was the jusification for kicking the Palestinians out of Palestine in 1948? That the Jews had been persecuted and needed a place to go? Sure, ok. But why there? If we wanted to give them a piece of inhospitable desert to live in, there's thousands of square miles going begging in South Dakota.

We wanted a puppet/friend in the Middle East so that we could exert power in that area and make sure the flow of oil kept going. The plight of the Jews was a convenient excuse to meddle in someone else's country.

[lars008-2009]

Also, did you ever consider that without the Palestinians having had their country stolen so the Jews could have a country of their own, there would be no Hamas? There are effects to causes, and sometimes our actions are the causes.

and yet you don't accuse the muslims of doing just that...... the muslims were in only mecca..... today they are trying to take pieces of countries all over the world from the philippines, thailand, india again, russia, china, eu again, africa, etc etc etc.....

[lars008-2009]

Also, did you ever consider that without the Palestinians having had their country stolen so the Jews could have a country of their own, there would be no Hamas? There are effects to causes, and sometimes our actions are the causes.

and yet you do not accuse the muslims of doing just that..... they started in mecca...... and they are still trying to take pieces of countries from the philippines, thailand, india again, russia, china, eu again, africa, etc etc etc......

[jimibear]

rsoxfan, I have utmost respect for people who are true Christians, or indeed true followers of almost any faith. I have the utmost scorn for those who twist teachings of peace and love to justify greed, power-grabbing and murder.

I am a firm believer in what Jesus taught. (Not so fond of a lot that's in the Old Testament, but then that was "updated" anyway.) My view is, though, that religion has been used to justify evil so often that in the end it has done more harm than good. I don't dispute the existence of a God of some kind, nor anyone's right to worship as they see fit. What I do dispute is the usefulness of organized religion, when all it really seems to acheive is another way of saying "us vs. them".

[jimibear]

(cont.)

Only one act of terrorism has killed thousands, and we never stop hearing about it. Interestingly, though, to our "president", finding the guy responsible for that act is "not that important" (his words) and when we had Osama cornered, we let him go.

We should bomb training camps. We should raid cells. We should respond with reasonable, appropriate force if an attack takes place, and act in intelligent ways to investigate and prevent terrorist acts. People can understand and agree with those actions.

We shouldn't engage in mass murder against non-terrorists. All that does is breed more hatred. If you can't see the difference, then I don't know what else to say to you.

[jimibear]

Notblue, you miss the point. Pakistan cooperates with us against Al Qaeda. Other governments would too, given the chance. yes, there are radical groups all over. So, in order to combat them, you enlist the cooperation of the mainstream government, or you launch limited strikes.

You DON'T go into a country which, in fact, had no known links to Al Qaeda or other terrorist groups, and kill hundreds of thousands of their citizens. How hard is that to grasp?

Also, did you ever consider that without the Palestinians having had their country stolen so the Jews could have a country of their own, there would be no Hamas? There are effects to causes, and sometimes our actions are the causes.

I don't paint an entire demographic group who don't agree with my ideas as anything. I disagree with a specific ideology. I don't say "all people from such and such a state" or "all christians" etc. I say, "I disagree with people who think this way". Not the same thing.

[rsoxfan1123]

jimibear -your viewpoints are the same as mine on almost everything, and definitely in the understanding of how destructive this bush administration has been to our country. we differ in our views of religion, as I am a Christian, but my understanding of what that means is apparently very different from those that use it to justify what the bush administration has done and what the republican party in general stands for.

[lars008-2009]

i do not fear god............

i fear those that claim to speak for god......

[notblue]

Jimibear, "fight terrorism" unless there in Iraq. "Go after terrorist cells and training camps" how many countries in the middle east and throughout the world harbor terrorists and camps? The shorter list would be the countries that don't. "most of them don't like the lunatic fringe". Which middle eastern countries don't like the lunatic fringe? Maybe Palestine no there's Hamas, maybe Lebanon no there's Hezbollah, maybe Afghanastan no there's the Taliban, maybe Pakistan no there's Al Queda, I give up can't think of one Middle Eastern country where there aren't radical groups. "Don't use religion to brush paint an entire race or religion." The same must not apply to your political views since you brush paint an entire demograph who is not in line with your political ideology. "don't use terrorism to invade a country and kill it's citizens". When acts of terrorism kill thousands and disrupt the lives of millions what is the alternative to attack when dealing with uncomprehensible barbarism. Diplomacy?, milk and cookies? a time out? PLease continue to enlighten us.

[lars008-2009]

then why do you have a problem with the usa winning.....
why do you prefer the muslims win.....

btw.... like the usa does not have divisions as well.....

[jimibear]

rsoxfan, you are of course correctin your counterpoints. I get caught up in the flow of my own rhetoric at times. Nazism was certaintly a cult of personality, if not officially a religion, and did indeed incorporate religious festivals and iconography.