Comments on: U.S. Death Toll In Iraq Passes 3,000

Texas Specialist Killed By Small Arms Fire Last Week; Caps Deadliest Month Of 2006

[emtak1]

%u201CWhen, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the Earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature%u2019s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation"--Thomas Jefferson, 1776

--THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ NEVER COLLECTIVELY DECIDED TO THROW OFF THEIR OLD GOVERNMENT. OUR DISSOLUTION OF THEIR OLD SOCIAL COMPACT HAS FRACTURED IRAQ AS A "PEOPLE" PERHAPS. . WE APPEAR TO HAVE TRIED TO REPLACE THIS COMPACT WITH DEMOCRACY AT THE POINT OF A GUN.

--OUR ENEMIES THERE DO NOT HAVE A " a decent respect to the opinions of mankind" AND NEVER DECLARED WAR ON US. BUT THEN WE NEVER HAD THE DECENCY TO DECLARE WAR ON THEM.

WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE US? I THINK PERHAPS WE SHOULD COMMIT OURSELVES WHOLEY TO SUBJAGATING THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ, OR COMMIT OURSELVES WHOLEY TO GETTIN OUT OF IRAQ. IF WE CHOOSE SUBJUGATION WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IRAN HAS SHOWN A DESIRE TO SUBJUGATE/INFLUENCE THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ AS WELL, AND THIS MAY COMPLICATE MATTERS.

[patriotic9]

thgdriver
What about if it comes in the form of large NUCLEAR DEVICE like NUKES sold to OSAMA BEEN-FORGOTTEN(who was allowed to escape from TORA BORA for not having enough boots on the ground since BUSH had to save MILITARY for IRAQ deployment to help the 2nd coming of CHRIST) by NORTH KOREA(whose threat of building NUKES were ignored by BUSH who was in RUSH to go to Iraq for non existing WMDs) in the form of simultaneous SUICIDE BOMBINGS in the major cities of UNITED STATES(A hallmark of Alqaeda)when our NATIONAL DEBT is about $9 trillions and our NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS are serving as INTERNATIONAL GUARD in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN.Don't forget how great we dealt with a domestic disaster named KATRINA.

[thgdriver]

heetseeker, I am waiting for a reply.

[thgdriver]

n122736 Sez.

"Never confuse our Soldiers courage and willingness to fight and die for our country without complaint".

I am not confused, you are.

The idea is to have the "other contries" soldiers die for "their country".

[emtak1]

"The problem is to find a form of association which will defend and protect with the whole common force the person and goods of each associate, and in which each, while uniting himself with all, may still obey himself alone, and remain as free as before." This is the fundamental problem of which the Social Contract provides the solution.--Jean Jacques Rousseau,1762

IRAQ HAD A SOCIAL CONTRACT WITH SADDAM. WE WENT IN AND BROKE IT. BY DEFAULT, TELLING THE IRAQI PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD BLEED AND DIE FOR THEM WITH THIS NEW CONTRACT.

[thgdriver]

heetseeker Sez.

I believe an attack on the US is inevitable.

I agree with you, and when it comes in the form of a small nuclear device in downtown (insert any large american city here) what say you then, if proved, Middle East in origin?

[jn122736]

thgdriver: and missAmerica4:

Quote: "When Iran/Syria move into Iraq after we leave, as most of you seem to want, and then move on Saudi arabia and the rest, a much larger conflict will brake out. When it does%u201D

If such a thing should happen it would require a standing army, which could be quickly defeated by most of the countries you refer to, with UN help if needed.

Never confuse our Soldiers courage and willingness to fight and die for our country without complaint with being in favor of the totally unnecessary invasion of a sovereign country.

[heetseeker]

bluestardad

The irony of the Iraq situation is that it has become a fulfilled prophecy. Our principal rationale for invading in 2003 was WMD. However, we found none. Nonetheless our presence created a terrorist threat that did not pre-date our arrival, but which is a clear and present threat to the government of Iraq and potentially our own security as well.

You might even go as far as to say a threat, once contained in one person (Saddam Hussein) is now fragmented. By the way "contained" is a word used pre-2003, by *** Cheney to describe the threat posed by Saddam.

You suggest that we will not be attacked and that Bush is trying to stoke up the threat against us. Frankly, I no longer trust this President or any member of the administration on Iraq. They have used misinformation as a deliberate policy of reporting the war and I therefore find it difficult to believe anything they say.

Instead, I look at the facts for myself and what I see is that our presence in Iraq has provided a recruitment opportunity that islamic extremism could hitherto only have dreamed of. As someone who also spends time in Europe I can tell you that the fear of attack is palpable there.

Personally, I believe an attack on the US is inevitable. It only takes one determined killer who values their enemies death more than they do their own life. The only question is when not if.

[patriotic9]

missAmerica4
I totally agree with you about their loyalty to USA and her people and I salute them and the ultimate sacrifice thay are giving for our great nation.I never said anything against our troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.It's just those politicians who have put our soldiers in a harm way which doen't benifit us at all but only benifits the Islamic Radicals.I get so pissed off to see our tax money going to that RADICAL MALIKI whose IDEAL AYATOLLAH KHUMEINIE had called us the GREATEST SATAN.I have no problem fighting a war against America's enemy like OSAMA BEEN FORGOTTEN but do have problem seeing a SECULAR GUY SADDAM to be removed and an ISLAMIC RADICAL given ,POWER,OUR TAX MONEY AND OUR WEAPONS to kill our soldiers.Nobody,I repeat nobody is worse then these religious RADICALS.You need to read their ideology then you'll understand why I feel so frustrated by this war we were supposed to fight in IRAN or SAUDI ARABIA or SYRIA which we are fighting in IRAQ to help IRAN and SAUDIA ARABIA.Increase in OIL PRICES have made SAUDI RADICALS so rich and they are using that profit to kill our soldiers in IRAQ.The same way,IRAQI GOVERNOR MALIKI who is appointed by IRANIAN AYATOLLAHs is using our tax money and weapons against our soldiers and we are forced to do that.SADDAM was fighting our war against ISLAMIC RADICALS and BUSH is fighting ISLAMIC JIHAD against our soldiers by giving our tax money to ISLAMIC RADICALS.

[randalds]

3000 of our very best men and women have died for Bush's lies. They volunteered to serve and to even, if need be, give up their lives in defense of our country and way of life. All they asked was that their lives not be given up lightly. That their sacrifice was one of the last resort. That it came because there was no other choice to defend what we all stand for. They were lied to. They were let down. They were had. They died for nothing because Bush used them for personal reasons. They did not die for America or freedom or even to fight terrorism. Their lives were thrown away in a cynical war of choice, of conquest and crusade for greed and personal ego. They were abused. They were taken. Screwed. As were we all. This administration guaranteed that these brave men and women would have their lives thrown away. That they would die for nothing. Bush and his minions denied them the right to die defending their country and instead murdered them for their own goals. That's a crime and it needs to be punished.