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British Prime Minister In Baghdad; 3 More American Soldiers Killed

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by sandycat2 December 15, 2006 10:36 PM EST
Iraqis are killing other Iraqis in their country, but they are going to blame it all on the US. Does any of these muslims ever take responsiblity for their crimes? That's why Islamists can murder people and get away with it because it's always someone else's fault.
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by December 15, 2006 10:12 PM EST
FeelFree1:

Well said.

Tank611:

Like it or not, the US has certain obligations, particularly when it has troops in a foreign country.

And like it or not, Iraq is in the current state it's in because of GW Bush - and he needs to fix the problems he's created otherwise, Iraq WILL become a bigger threat to world security.
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by samthetvcat December 15, 2006 9:58 PM EST
So what's the plan there Tank, turn the 'evildoers' into 'good' people? How's that working out for you there? Why do you think the plan's not working - it is because they're so evil? It surely can't be because you're perspective is inherently flawed because that just doesn't happen to 'good' people, right? Isn't that how the thinking goes?

So what next - annhilate them all? I mean since you're so good and there so evil, what's the problem with that?
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by feelfree1 December 15, 2006 9:02 PM EST
Tank611

Re: "This ideology of evil seeks not simply to dominate, but to destroy the will of all mankind, to control at the tip of a sword our very thought, word and deed."

You have described, perfectly, the failed manifesto of the "Project for a New American Century" traitors, like Kristol, Kagan, Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Wurmser, and Rumsfeld.

Fortunately for us, and for the planet, they are headed for the sewer of history.
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by feelfree1 December 15, 2006 8:58 PM EST
Tank611

Re: "300 billion dollars isn't good enough for you?"

Wasting $300+ billion, is not a good substitute for sane foreign policy or for meeting our legal requirements as an occupying power. Whining because you bit off more than you can chew does not relieve you of this legal and moral obligation.
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by feelfree1 December 15, 2006 8:54 PM EST
Tank611,

Re: "Since when has there ever been a 'legal' invasion of any country?"

There are several examples. For instance, during WWII, our Congress made a formal declaration of war, as is reqired by our own Constitution, and we were clearly defending ourselves against a belligerant aggressor.

Re: "The cold hard truth is that the Middle East has been waging a Terror War against the United States for the past 25 years. Which gives the United States the right to wage war on the Middle East."

Your assertion is unfounded and has zero basis in the rule of law. If we abandon our own Constitution at the behest of a handful of greedy maniacs, and their fearful, hate-filled supporters, just exactly what is it that we are fighting for?

Re: "The war on terror, today being fought here in our homeland, and around the world, must be won."

The idiotic "war on terror" is an abject failure, and a series of humiliating military and moral defeats for the U.S. What's more, "terror" is not an enemy. It is an emotion. Anyone foolish enough to wage a "war" against an emotion, is certainly not competent to be telling others what we "must do".
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by feelfree1 December 15, 2006 8:43 PM EST
Tank611,

Re: "The U.S. is under no 'obligation' to provide security."

Your assertion is false. Not only is this a requiremnet under international humanitarian law, of which the U.S. is signatory, but according to the U.S. Army%u2019s Field Manual 27-10: %u201CThe authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety%u2026.%u201D

Failure of our mis-leaders and our military members to understand this fundamental obligation is a large part of why our defeat in Iraq is such a resounding disgrace, and why this criminal mis-adventure never had any real chance of success.
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by tank611 December 15, 2006 8:40 PM EST
QUOTE:

'That is the cold, hard, truth of the matter. The iraqis have every right to defend themselves against the brutal and illegal invasion of their country'

Since when has there ever been a 'legal' invasion of any country?

The cold hard truth is that the Middle East has been waging a Terror War against the United States for the past 25 years. Which gives the United States the right to wage war on the Middle East.

'The war on terror, today being fought here in our homeland, and
around the world, must be won. Five years after 9/11, America is safer
and much more alert to the dangers that lurk in the darker corners of
our world.

Those dangers yet exist in Afghanistan and Iraq and Iran and Syria,
Lebanon and elsewhere. They call themselves al Qaeda and Hamas and
Hezbollah and many other names.

Mr. Speaker, their differences of names and nationality neither erase
nor even obscure the menacing ideology that binds them together as a
single indistinguishable enemy of freedom and justice and peace.

This ideology of evil seeks not simply to dominate, but to destroy
the will of all mankind, to control at the tip of a sword our very
thought, word and deed. Their ultimatum is simple: submit or die' - Congressman Denny Hastert,9/13/06

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by tank611 December 15, 2006 8:31 PM EST
QUOTE:

'the U.S. failure to meet its obligation of providing security'

The U.S. is under no 'obligation' to provide security. Having said that,the U.S. has made a good-faith effort to stop the violence in Iraq. The U.S. has spent 300 billion dollars to provide security. 300 billion dollars isn't good enough for you?
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by bobgee_1999 December 15, 2006 7:49 PM EST
The hillarious thing about the whole Iraq fiasco is that we had no valid reason to invade in the first place, and we must never lose sight of that; the WMD thing---which was Bush's stated reason for going, whatever *** he has said since then---was a crock. It can be argued more convincingly that we had reason to attack Afghanistan, and if we had stopped right there Bush would be hailed as a hero instead of an imbecile. Of course, if pigs had wings they'd be pigeons.
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by feelfree1 December 15, 2006 7:48 PM EST
elgraz,

I am a U.S. Army veteran and a U.S. citizen- born and raised. How about you?

We retain the RIGHT of freedom of speech in this country, and I plan to exercise that right freely.

Why do you hate our freedoms?
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by elgraz December 15, 2006 7:44 PM EST
feelfree1
I believe that you are a subversive to the USA(a scent of alcaida?) and if we were at war, officially, you would be marked as a traitor to the USA. By the way what country are you from amigo with all your *** ravings ???? If you have the balls to let us know please do.
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by feelfree1 December 15, 2006 7:38 PM EST
lestb35,

Re: "Most experts agree that if we pull out there will be worse carnage."

Sounds like you are relying on the same "expert" fools that stampeded us into this disgraceful mess.
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by scouser9999 December 15, 2006 7:37 PM EST
I'm sorry, wasn't it the "experts" who got us into this mess in the first place
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by feelfree1 December 15, 2006 7:36 PM EST
mjv2944,

Re: " The Iraqi people are the victims as are our fighting men and women of the lie that got us involved, but no easy out or answer."

Agreed.

Re: "What really scares me is I'm afraid that they may bring back to old "domino" theory but apply it to the middle east."

In my opinion, this has been the plan all along, as is decribed in the fascistic manifesto of the Project for a New American Century dunderheads, in their "Rebuilding America's Defenses" plan for global domination.
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by lestb35 December 15, 2006 7:32 PM EST
"The Iraqis will surely "step up" when the illegal invaders are finally expelled from their country, and they have an opportunity to elect legitimate leaders to replace their current puppet officials."Posted by FeelFree1 at 03:38 PM : Dec 15, 2006

Most experts agree that if we pull out there will be worse carnage.
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by feelfree1 December 15, 2006 7:32 PM EST
elgraz,

Re: "HEY FEELFREE1, YOU ARE AN IDIOT.."

Thanks for the free I.Q. assessment, but could you be a bit more specific?
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by mjv2944 December 15, 2006 7:07 PM EST
feelfree

What really scares me is I'm afraid that they may bring back to old "domino" theory but apply it to the middle east. I believe that is the mental state of our leadership. The Iraqi people are the victims as are our fighting men and women of the lie that got us involved, but no easy out or answer.
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by elgraz December 15, 2006 6:59 PM EST
HEY FEELFREE1, YOU ARE AN IDIOT AND SHOULD JOIN THE STAFF OF OUR ESTEEMED PRESIDENT. BUSH IS LOOKING FOR MORE IDIOTS TO JOIN HIS STAFF.
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by elgraz December 15, 2006 6:57 PM EST
THE ARABS ARE ALL OF THE SAME GENES............YOU CAN DO ANYTHING FOR THEM AND THEY WILL ALWAYS BE ASKING FOR MORE..........SIMILAR TO THE ASIAN INDIANS..........YOU CAN'T AND NEVER WILL WIN.THIS IS OUR PURGATORY OH CHRISTIANS BE FIRM AND DON'T WAVER IN YOUR FAITH. THE CRUSADES HAVE BEGUN.
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