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British Prime Minister In Baghdad; 3 More American Soldiers Killed
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- Dear Bloggers... I am not suggesting we should stay in Iraq till the job is done... find any of my previous post that remotely suggests otherwise...
Whatever the original "vision" for invading Iraq... this is now long lost... success in Iraq can only now be measured in degrees of failure... I have been consistent on this point... I refer you to my previous posts
My substantial point is that we must do everything we can to prevent Iraq from completely spliting apart.. Again I do not believe we can "win" by any definition... this is because we are no longer masters of our own destiny...
But I am astonished that people here seem to suggest (correct me if I am wrong) that despite the havoc we have created in Iraq we should now shrug our shoulders and walk away without any culpability for our actions.... We invited ourselves into Iraq under false pretences with the objective of installing a convicted former CIA agent & bank-robber as a puppet President..
I do not like the fact that young men & women are dying in Iraq? but whether I like it or not.... my Government has a moral obligation to ensure that, the nation it chose to invade (don't forget Democrats as voted for this war as well) does not completely implode...
By the way... I did not vote for this President either... - Reply to this comment
- I'm reminded of The Charge of the Light Brigade. In order to save George's honor 1,000 American, and countless Iraqis, have to die in the next year. George want's a slow withdrawal rather than an immediate withdrawal because it will make him look more like a man, or what George thinks a man should look like. It's a fourth graders idea of a man that meets George's criteria.
And a final surge before a final withdrawal give's George's life some kind of symmetry. - Reply to this comment
- OSAMA BEEN FORGOTTEN still at large,North Korea has built NUKES which they'll definately sell to OSAMA BEEN FORGOTTEN as they have built em for BUSINESS reason,Failure in responding to HURRICAN KATRINA had shown how ill prepared we are in dealing with the domestic disasters,our NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS serving as INTERNATIONAL GUARD in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN.Does the BUSH administration has any plan about how to handle situation in case of a next possible TERRORIST ATTACK on our soil when our NATIONAL DEBT is already $8.6 Trillions?
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- Our policies are no longer controlled by BUSH,DEMOCRATS or REPUBLICANS.Our policies are now made according to the will and wishes of OSAMA BEEN FORGOTTEN.
Without capturing OSAMA BEEN FORGOTTEN,United States had attacked Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11 and turned that SECULAR country into an EXTREMIST SHIA ISLAMIC STATE in south and EXTREMIST SUNNI TERRORIST TRAINING CAMP in west.USA is forced to send more and more troops to get killed in an UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE against an UNSEEN ENEMY who doesn't wear the MILITRAY UNIFORM and there is no FRONT LINE.Our National debt is now $8.6 Trillions.As a result of this on going war,the increase in OIL DEMAND and INSTABILITY in the region has resulted in higher OIL PRICES,the profit of which goes back to the INSURGENTS in IRAQ to kill more US troops.Democratically elected SHIA RADICAL GOVT is taking our TAX PAYED MONEY on the name of REBUILDING IRAQ to establish an EXTREMIST ISLAMIC EMPIRE from IRAN in the EAST to LEBANON in the WEST to help the second coming of their FINAL IMAM MEHDI who according to their RADICAL BELIEF will kill all the NON MUSLIMS and are taking weapons from our Govt on the name of arming IRAQI SECURITY FORCES to kill our troops and to arm their HEZBOLLAH brothers in LEBANON and HAMAS BROTHERS in PALESTINE.OSAMA BEEN FORGOTTEN must be so GRATEFUL for BUSH's kindness to do his job by AMERICAN TAX PAYED money and AMERICAN SOLDIER'S LIVES. - Reply to this comment
- heetseeker ...
spoken like someone who is living very comfortable, is removed from the war, and has never served there ... In 'la la' land, your thoughts make sense. - Reply to this comment
- Everyone who thinks we need to "stay until the mission is complete" needs to realize that history is repeating itself. These are the identical arguments used to keep us in Viet Nam. There were those with the foresight to realize that the tremendous waste of life and money would be endless and that it would break the back of our nation and they called for a pull out of troops. There were those who argued that we needed to "stay until the job was done". Eventually, despite their varying intelligence quotients, enough people figured out getting Americans killed and spending money endlessly was stupid and we brought our troops home. Now, we look back and wonder why we stayed in there so long. That is what future generations will ask us about Iraq as well. why did we stay so long? Why were we stupid enough to listen to Bush and his cronies?
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- Heetseeker-Your "moral responsibility to Iraq" concept is ridiculous. I didn%u2019t vote for Bush, I opposed this invasion and thought it was stupid to go forward without the UN to begin with. Now I have a "moral responsibility" to send my kids over there to die? Now we, as a country, should run ourselves into bankruptcy so we can be fully penalized for the stupidity of George Bush and his cronies? Wake up. It's time to get ourselves out of this mess before we dig the hole any deeper.
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- Do we really have that many real choices in Iraq? In all honesty anything we decide to do must involve remaining there for many years to come... When we "arrived" in 2003 it was under a false premise... People generally accept that Iraq was a war purely based on choice, arrogance and meglomania...
We now find ourselves in a position where... like it or not.... we need to be in Iraq... I don't care were you are on the left or right or centre... you cannot fail to see the direct causal relationship between the chaos that now exists in Iraq & our intervention in 2003...
I have previously posted on this site that I fully agree with Colin Powell.. who stated "if you broke it you fix it"... & Iraq is well and truly broke at the moment... the problem is that fixing it will cost billions and billions of dollars more... it will also cost many more thousands of American lives... Are we ready for that?
Yet... do we not have a moral responsibility to face up to the mess we have helped create... what we have have sown in the wind we are now reaping in the whirlwind? As we found in Vietman... when you commit yourself to war... you cannot be certain of the outcome...
Perhaps after despite his gross incompetence and irresponsibility... the one redeeming thing about GWB... might be the fact that he perhaps realises that he has a moral obligation to repair the damage he has created... - Reply to this comment
- More wounded more killed more sorrow more hate more money made,everything is just great. This is the best time of my life by far. Bush is so wonderful. Why doesn't everyone agree with me, They must all be crazy.
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- bluestardad...
The Democrats don't take control until after nthe first of the year.... - Reply to this comment
- GWB is as stubborn as a 2 year old and unfortunately can't be put in time out to resolve any issue. I doubt it would bring him around anyway.
Anyone notice how he waited until Congress adjourned for the year to develop his "new way forward?"
Same book -- different title. What a joke. - Reply to this comment
- America voted to get out of Iraq not send more troops! Where are the Democrats?
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- "A New Way Forward or Mutton Dressed as Lamb?"
The current buzz word in the administration for Iraq, is "new way forward"... it's almost as if saying it often enough will actually make it so...
So what will this "new way" look involve... well according to the adminsistration... it won't involve negotiations with Syria or Iran nor will it involve phased or immediate US troop withdrawal or tie US support for Iraq to progress milestones...
In simple terms it will involve nothing "new" nor progressive...
There is a simple reason why GWB cannot change course on Iraq... this is because to do so would be to admit failure and we have already seen that this President is incapable of doing that...
He will not talk to Syria or Iran because that would be to admit failure, he will not announce a phased or full troop withdrawl because that would be to admit failure, neither will he set milestones for the Iraqi government because, if they are not me, that would also be to admit failure..
What we are witnessing is the tragic and needless waste of our nations resources... not just the $300bn that has been sunk into Iraq... but more importantly... the 3,000 American lives that have been thrown away... all because the President cannot bring himself to admit that he has got it wrong....
"New way forward"?.... don't hold your breath.... - Reply to this comment
- sevenveils,
Re: "Isn't the biggest problem in Iraq the Iraq's killing other Iraqis?"
Not hardly. The biggest problem in Iraq is the brutal and illegal U.S. war of aggression against that country, resulting in hundreds of thousands of violent Iraqi deaths, and millions more Iraqis humiliated, wrongfully imprisoned, tortured and sexually abused at the hands of U.S. agents.
That, along with the U.S. sponsored death-squads in Iraq, are probably two of the biggest problems, in my opinion.
Your level of brainwashing is startling. Reach out and find help! - Reply to this comment
- The insurgents, they are Iraqis, a lot of them are Iraqis, and they respect the Iraqis. And they respect (the Red Crescent's) identity, which is neutrality." - Jamal Al Karbouli,
This quote make me laugh over and over again. Isn't the biggest problem in Iraq the Iraq's killing other Iraqis?
Not over government mind you, but over a difference of an interpretation of faith. - Reply to this comment
- Sevenveils,
Who would Jesus blame? - Reply to this comment
- George Bush did not create the problems in Iraq nor the middle East.
Islamic terrorists have been attacking the US and its allies since the Carter administration. The US and Iraq have been at conflict since Saddam invaded Kuwait.
Put the blame where it belongs: the Mideastern nations (i.e. Iraq, Syria, and Sandia Arabia)whose governments and/or population that provides sanctuary, monetary and/or direct military support for terrorist world wide; and most notably in Iraq.
It takes a large amount of money to arm, feed and support religious militias that number in the tens of thousands. And that large sum of cash is oil fed, fer sure. - Reply to this comment
- sandycat2,
Can you or any of your your fellow fascistic apologists take responsibility for any of your many, stinking failures? - Reply to this comment
- Sevenveils,
Re: "The Troops in Iraq initially gave the Red Crescent the same humanitarian benefit of doubt as they do all international humanitarian organizations."
It appears that you are a vitim of pro-war poopaganda. U.S. troops have been attacking hospitals and ambulances since the beginning of the illegal invasion of Iraq. This is one of the more serious categories of war crimes committed by some of our troops, in my opinion.
In fact, trigger-happy U.S. military idiots even shot up an ambulance containing PFC Jessica Lynch, when Iraqi medical officials were attempting to return her to U.S. custody.
You are in need of some advanced deprogramming. - Reply to this comment
- The Troops in Iraq initially gave the Red Crescent the same humanitarian benefit of doubt as they do all international humanitarian organizations. Then it was discovered Red Crescent organization offices and vehicles were being used in storing and shipping weapons and bomb making materials.
Much like the Iraqi that are often used as garrisons for religious based militias, looks can be deceiving. - Reply to this comment
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