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Conflicting Explanations Surround Cancellation Of Bush's High-Stakes Meeting With Iraqi Prime Minister

[j-whitman]

Radio,, It's looking like "All the King's horses & all the King's men can't put Humpty back together again"

[j-whitman]

Radio,, Thanks,, I understand the Brookings Institute is estimating over 400,000 troops to get the situation under control, even with our coalitions those numbers are out of reach.. It's going to be interesting to hear how Bush & cronies respond.. I agree, we need all of the regions help,, problem with that is, will that lead to a regional war?

[radiob-2009]

j-whitman Glad to hear from you, I had to do a rebuttal for you because of sunshine2 misconceived interpation of one of your comments.I hope things are going well.We ourselves cannot fix the crisis in Iraq no more than we single handely can fix the crisis in Darfur.It requires global intervention and alot needs to come from the Arab world.The go it alone strategy was failed from the begining along with the purported reasons given for the war.I am an omptimist and beleive that if we can engage oher countries,Iran, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia to name a few then their is hope.If we fail after engaging all parties then we have failed humanity.A better dimplomat is required than those that are currently addressing the situation.

[nynative1340]

Would I send my MOTHER to this war? You might ask would I send HER to World War II? Well, SHE was old enough to go. Or Vietnam? SHE still wasn't too old for that conflict. Maybe you would EXtinguish those conflicts; or maybe you would send your MOTHER to fight in them. But, regardless. I can't command my MOTHER to war. SHE has to make that choice; and SHE would probably send ME. So the better question would be: would I volunteer to fight in Iraq, WW II, Vietnam? Well, unlike many of the cowards who post on this board, I fought in Vietnam, along side my MOM. Would I volunteer to fight in another war? Only in place of my MOTHER. Respond if drafted? Only to take my MOTHER's place. I do know, cause I've been there, done that, unlike many of the name calling cowards, both left and right, who post on this board. I'm not advocating war. Just denouncing those cowards who would send another to fight in a war that they would not.

So how do I feel toward those who do volunteer? Both proud and sad. Proud that they, like I and my MOM, fulfill an obligation to their country, while the cowards sit idly at home and complain. Sad that the cowards who send us to war have never withstood the rigors and dangers of war.

I do strongly believe that a country run by such cowards is doomed to repeat its warring mistakes of the past. The fact that we continue to elect these cowards is part of the failure in Iraq.

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[nynative1340]

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Objective? How can anyone be objective when we are subjected to lies from the top; lies that are multiplied by the confused media. An attempt to establish democracy in the Middle East is proof that the liars don't have a clue about the culture and religious factions in an area of the world where we are facing a high chance of failure. That's why I greatly dispise those lying cowards who have made the attempt to change a world they do not understand--the Bush administration. They have been resolute, something I have seen in my lifetime: Remember LBJ? And Nixon? And Reagan? Iran-Contra? Ollie North? When it's all over, Bush could get his own TV show: "IRAQ WAR HORRORS" Bush won't succeed; the reason is simple--he didn't do his homework. This is BUSH's war; those cowards on the home-front who call any dissenters "traitors" are part of the reason for the failure; they simply don't understand what a democracy in a republic is all about. They would like to continue the one-party rule no matter how much it looks like a dictatorship. Anyone who doesn't "go along" with the one-party dictatorship is called a traitor by the cowards.

Yet... we're still in Iraq. Why?...I'm waiting. Keep waiting, bushrocks1. It took your idol six years to manifest this war; it ain't gonna' end in six weeks, or six months. Oh, and since you sound like one of those cowards who would send someone else to fight your war, send your MOTHER. Maybe she could help end it sooner.

[j-whitman]

RadioBob,,, I don't think we can fix it, NY Times now reports Iraq Study Group is recomending pullback of our troops,,,

[radiob-2009]

Part one Prior to the invasion of Iraq I was opposed to it, the logic of WMD's or Iraq being a threat to the US did not add up.Unfortunately we went in,I in good consciece still object to this war for the same reasons.However we have broken it and the responsibility rest on our shoulders to try to fix it.It is now a moral question.Should we abandon the Iraqis after invading, destroying and destabilizing their country? The events that have occured over the last year of sectarian killings are an issue that we ourselves cannot correct.It is important that other nations be involved in resolving this crisis.

[radiob-2009]

Part Two We helped create the situation now our goverment needs to find a way that will bring stability to Iraq.The release of Hadleys memo does not help even if it contains more truth than the admininstration is willing to aknowledge.We cannot in good conscience Cut and Run, nor can we continue the Stay the course policy.It is time for fresh ideas from regional countries that want stability for Iraq and from the adminstration. If we do not resolve this crisis and provide stability for all Iraqis then we have lost our moral compass.The legality or illegality of the war is not the issue, the issue is restoring hope and stablity to a country that never threaten us to begin with.The recent announcement that Anbar province by our military is unwinable and that Al Qeada reigns the area is yet another roadblock to peace.Can anybody in conscience after so many deaths of our own soldiers and innocent Iraqis simply say walk away.It is their problem.Who created the problem?All those voices in and out of our goverment that failed to ask the hard questions prior to the invasion are morally guilty.I wrote ever congressperson that I could regardless of their political affilation, what did you do and more importantly is what are you going to do.Will you write the UN,the congress and every country in the region to bring about a solution that is amicable to all Iraqis?

[ceekuei]

patriotic9, I am in partial agreement with you as to why do we care about Israel? Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is the politicians are beholden to the Jewish lobby because it represents a very powerful interest group that can make or break a politician aspiring to be a "somebody." It is not so much as supporting Israel that I have a problem with, it is the "unconditional support" that irks me and many more like me. Unconditional support means regardless of Israel's behavior, right or wrong, the US will support her and that's the core of the problem. Look, the US is demanding that Iran and Syria not interfere in Iraq's affairs, but this it is alright for US to invade it and precipitate the bloody mess Iraq is now! Where is the credibility? Insofar as religion is concerned, it is the single major contributor of conflicts since religion was conceived. It is a case of "my God is better than your God" crab. Look at Christian extremists in the US! Why, these blokes think they are "speaking" on God's behalf. All religions have their extremist views, and as far as I am concerned, they are all nuts! It is just an excuse for doing things. It is public record that the nut in the WH talks not to his earthly father Bush Sr, but to his "other" father in heaven. Scary, isn't it?

[j-whitman]

FLASH ,, Iraq Study Group recomends pullback of troops - Murtha's plan

[grazinggoat]

alphaa10, Thanks.
Bushrots1 is very intelligent. He (her, it?) is fixed on one thing. He (she, it?) is stone and capable of repeating what he (she, it?) heartly believes. We have to take him (her, it?) as is and accept what he (she, it) says. We are in a free country and need to accept the insipidity of his (her, its) comments. After all we now get used to all insanity of Bushclans (bushrocks, bushsocks, bushsucks, bushducks, bushpots etc...) and we digest it quite well... So a bit of pepper with this ex-BigMacBite, will make this forum a bit more 'digestible'.

[alphaa10-2009]

Grazinggoat-- Nice job with the parody of bushrock1. However, you should realize some blue posters on this thread shoot at anything that they don't get immediately, even parodies like yours.

(In case you hadn't seen my sendup of the bushrock1 oration, find it about four pages back.)

What bushrock1 doesn't realize is his carefully impersonalized scrib for Bush, when repeated hourly, is a huge demerit for that point of view. Though at first he may seem to post sincerely, the repeated posts show he has no intention of discussing his point of view. Which, of course, is a perfect, though entirely unintended, sendup of the Bush regime and its Maginot Line mentality about Iraq.

[grazinggoat]

Would I send my wife to this war? You might ask would I send her to WW-II? Or Vietnam? Maybe you would distinguish those conflicts and whether you would send your wife to fight in them. But that question is directed in a very important way: I cannot command my wife, she does me. I have no choice. So the better question would be: would I, BushDucks21, volunteer to fight in Iraq, WW II, Vietnam? Would I volunteer BushDucks21 to fight in any war? Respond if drafted? I don%u2019t know. To a hypothetical question, I can answer, NO. And I have nightmares of battle (from my past life as a Hamburgerbite). So how do I feel toward those who do volunteer? Impressed and maturely knowing that many things go into their decision. But I do strongly believe that a country that can't find those women is doomed. The fact that we can find them is one reason why I say there is a failure in Iraq. Objectively, I also believe it for other reasons. An attempt to establish theocracy in the Middle East is a poor, ailing, dispecable effort, for sure a failure. That's why I greatly disrespect and shame those who have made the attempt--the Walkig-Liar administration. They have been resolute, something I have not seen in my lifetime. They may not succeed, for reasons within their control or fault: traitors on the home front being a big one. Now we traitors have apparently occupied the high ground. Yet... we're still in Iraq. Why?...I'm waiting, and for longtime.
bushducks1

[patriotic9]

ceekuei
Why should we care about Israel's survival anyway?Israel is not a part of United States,Israel doesn't give oil to United States rather she takes our tax money for no reason which results in HATRED,TERRORISM and 9/11 agianst our nation.If we still don't wake up and don't kick that RACIST and UNJSUT GOD out of our politics who has NEGLECTED us because of being AMERICANS and CHOSEN NON AMERICAN EUROPEAN INVADERS IN PALESTINE,we'll be doomed.It's a reality which has been proven first by 9/11 and then by the failure in IRAQ war.For the sake of humanity,we need to rise up against all the RELIGIOUS RADICALISM whether it's ISLAMIC,JEWISH,CHRISTIAN,HINDU whatever.Was GOD sleeping when thousands of AMERICANS were dying on 9/11.Will he wake up if there will be next terrorist attack.
We need to do a new study to find out whether those people WHO are VERY RELIGIOUS become PSYCHOTICS or those WHO ARE PSYCHOTICS become VERY RELIGIOUS.
After the failure of all the RELIGIOUS PROPHECIES in IRAQ WAR,I don't understand how come people haven't waked up yet.

[patriotic9]

Ceekuei
I agree with you but saudis have a lot of pressure from their own people and clerics.If they keep on supporting us,their govt will be in great danger from their own people one day.Not as bad is Jordan but their help to us has also resulted in the creation of Jordanian terrorists like Zarqawi.

[ceekuei]

Jordan is perceived as a "neutral" country and the King is historically a "friend" of the US and also a friend of the Bush family. The King can act as a mediator and perhaps even a calming influence on all the parties to the conflict. It is to Jordan's interest to have stability in the region, particularly those states that are on its perimeter.Conflicts within the neighboring states would spill over to Jordan and destabilize it because it is not a democracy within the definition as defined by the West. It is precarious at best. Should the Middle East go the way of the Islamic extremists and fundamentalists, Jordan's future would be at stake and along with it America's interest. Concurrently, Israel's survival would be further compromised. In the context of on-going conflicts in the Middle East, the US has only two "friends;" the Saudis and Jordan, and in that part of the world, the US cannot have too many friends.

[patriotic9]

ha ha ha
grazinggoat,well said.LOL

[patriotic9]

alphaa10
"consider al-maliki under the boot of sadr army on one hand"
He is not under the boot of sadr army.Muqtada al sadr and al-maliki,they both work for the same guy named AYATOLLAH SISTANI.They don't care bout US Army.Why should?The job of the US Army was to remove a secualr govt and to help form an ISLAMIC EMPIRE.Do you think USA which herself had claimed to support democracy in the region can control Maliki according to American desires who is democratically elected by those Iraqis who have used United States for fighting against west just liked OSAMA BEEN FORGOTTEN had used the Reagan administration to get trained to fight against Americans.

[grazinggoat]

Would I send my wife to this war? You might ask would I send her to WW-II? Or Vietnam? Maybe you would distinguish those conflicts and whether you would send your wife to fight in them. But that question is directed in a very important way: I cannot command my wife, she does me. I have no choice. So the better question would be: would I, BushDucks21, volunteer to fight in Iraq, WW II, Vietnam? Would I volunteer BushDucks21 to fight in any war? Respond if drafted? I don%u2019t know. To a hypothetical question, I can answer, NO. And I have nightmares of battle (from my past life as a Hamburgerbite). So how do I feel toward those who do volunteer? Impressed and maturely knowing that many things go into their decision. But I do strongly believe that a country that can't find those women is doomed. The fact that we can find them is one reason why I say there is a failure in Iraq. Objectively, I also believe it for other reasons. An attempt to establish theocracy in the Middle East is a poor, ailing, dispecable effort, for sure a failure. That's why I greatly disrespect and shame those who have made the attempt--the Walkig-Liar administration. They have been resolute, something I have not seen in my lifetime. They may not succeed, for reasons within their control or fault: traitors on the home front being a big one. Now we traitors have apparently occupied the high ground. Yet... we're still in Iraq. Why?...I'm waiting, and for longtime.
bushducks1

[rharrin1]

frankly6
Because he is scared to go there. Remember viet nam?