Comments on: Bush Hears New Perspectives On Iraq

Bipartisan Panel Discusses Iraq War With President, Other Officials

[exusmcsgt]

ShutupMurtha-

Obviously, you are a "pro-war" moron.

[bellal-2009]

mercodele, I'm so sick and tired of your babbling. What response to 9/11 would you have endorsed?

[angryliberal-2009]

newster1 are you frickin serious??? You are a fool. Talk about extremist and out of touch with reality.

[shutupmurtha]

newster1

It is common knowlege that the crusades happened hundreds of years ago as a reactionary event against Muslim oppression. Second it doesnt matter what happened hundreds of years ago...what matters is what Christian and Muslims are doing today.

Christains are generally peaceful, good, and happy people.

Muslims are generally warmongering, angry, and hateful people.

[nothappyatall]

In his reports about the conquest of Jerusalem, Chronicler Raymond of Aguilers wrote that "It was a just and marvelous judgment of God, that this place [the temple of Solomon] should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers." St. Bernard announced before the Second Crusade that "The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified." Sometimes, atrocities were excused as actually being merciful. When a crusader army broke out of Antioch and sent the besieging army into flight, the Christians found that the abandoned Muslim camp was filled with the wives of the enemy soldiers. Chronicler Fulcher of Chartres happily recorded for posterity that "...the Franks did nothing evil to them [the women] except pierce their bellies with their lances."

Fatal Heresy

Although members of other religions obviously suffered at the hands of good Christians throughout the Middle Ages, it should not be forgotten that other Christians suffered just as much. Augustine's exhortion to compel entry into the church was used with great zeal when church leaders dealt with Christians who daredto follow a different sort of religious path. This was not always the case - during the first millennium, death was a rare penalty. But in the 1200s, shortly after the beginning of the crusades against the Muslims, wholly European crusades against Christian dissidents were enacted.

[nothappyatall]

Emich's followers decided that before they traveled across Europe to kill God's enemies, it would be a good idea to eliminate the infidels in their midst. Thus suitably motivated, they proceeded to massacre the Jews in German cities like Mainz and Worms. Thousands of defenseless men, women and children were chopped, burned or otherwise slaughtered.

This sort of action was not an isolated event - indeed, it was repeated throughout Europe by all sorts of crusading hordes. The lucky Jews were given a last-minute chance to convert to Christianity in accord with Augustine's doctrines. Even other Christians were not safe from the Christian crusaders. As they roamed the countryside, they spared no effort in pillaging towns and farms for food.
Chronicles record a story of a crusader-bishop who referred to the impaled heads of slain Muslims as a joyful spectacle for the people of God.

When Muslim cities were captured by Christian crusaders, it was standard operating procedure for all inhabitants - no matter what their age - to be summarily killed. It is not an exaggeration to say that the streets ran red with blood as Christians reveled in church-sanctioned horrors. Jews who took refuge in their synagogues would be burned alive, not unlike the treatment they received in Europe.

[shutupmurtha]

newster1

You know all those christians flying planes into buildings, kidnapping reporters, and chopping off heads in order to proclaim the gospel. I always wondered what type of uninformed, blind to reality idiots voted for people like Pelosi, Reid, and Murtha....now I know.


YOU ARE AN IDIOT and you proved it.

[marcodele]

"Cut and Run" is Rove rhetoric that was regurgitated by the obedient little neocon lemmings who listened to it get repeated over and over again by Fox news, Rush Limbaugh, Anne Coulter, Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson, and the rest of the charletons who made themselves rich off of hatred, bigotry, and their hypocritical patriotism and 'family values.' Just keep repeating 'Cut and Run' and you might win a Rush Limbaugh calendar with the little pills on each square.

[shutupmurtha]

The dems and George Bush need to grow a pair and stop listening to the antiwar morons that dont give a *** about this country.

[nothappyatall]

Muslims did not start this- CHRISTIANS did, read the history of the Christian reformation and crusades whereby crusaders invaded cities and slaughtered non believers and those opposed to Christianity- including MUSLIMS. Famous quote made during such a raid where women and children were; "kill them all, God knows his own"


On the night of August 24, 1572 - known as St. Bartholomew's Day - Catholic soldiers swept through Huguenot neighborhoods of Paris in a foreshadowing of what would happen to the Jews under Nazi rule.

Thousands were slaughtered in their homes and other massacres timed for the same night occurred in cities across France. In response to this, Pope Gregory XIII wrote to France's King Charles IX: "We rejoice with you that with the help of God you have relieved the world of these wretched heretics."

Pope Pius sent Catholic troops into France to aid in the repression efforts, ordering the army commander to kill all prisoners. Pius, unsurprisingly, was later canonized as a saint.

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/christian/blfaq_viol_reformation.htm

[shutupmurtha]

Do the democrats have a LEGIT perspective on Iraq besides the unintelligible CHANGE that is so prevalent in their rhetoric? (Its sad that they could actually win an election without articulating their position) Does that change have any strategy for winning or is it the same old CUT AND RUN nonsense?

[marcodele]

How ironic that the so called pro-life vote put a man into office who started two wars and caused over a hundred thousand deaths, including almost 3,000 of our own soldiers.

He's not going to "pre-judge?" He can't judge period. That's the point W.

[nothappyatall]

"Bush Hears New Perspectives On Iraq"

NO, Bush is FORCED now to hear and deal with what he has ignored for several years. Let's not forget that his Vice President was the CEO of HALIBUTON- the no-bid defense contractor who is billing us exorbitant amounts of money for everything- $45 for a 6 pack of soda, $100 per troop for LAUNDRY, they have an areas in Iraq that is acres in size where they BURN vehicles and equipment that breaks- they make money based on expenses, the more expenses they have the more money they rake in and you can bet the Vice President still has his dirty crooked hands in the company he was CEO of.
What I want to know is, how much is BUSH socking away in some hidden Swiss bank account being that millions of dollars in cash are MISSING.

[diamtool]

NEXT EPISODE:
Later this week:
Georgie goes off to hide in Vietnam,
While Poppy's team struggles to get him out of THIS war!

OH The Irony !!

[exusmcsgt]

Tank611-

In addition, terrorism cannot be defeated by a standing army. It can only be defeated from the bottom up by undermining the recruitment based on injustice.

[exusmcsgt]

Tank611-

You and Sen. Weldon are correct in one sense - pulling out of Iraq alone will not undermine the terrorists recruitment efforts. We have to, as well, stop our support for the Israeli abuse of the Palestinians and also stop being the world's bully and actually do what's right for a change as opposed to what's always in the U.S. corporation's best interests.

[ganjaman22]

*Does the cut 'n' run dance*

This is gonna be bad news.

[brianp55]

He's not going to "prejudge" the report? As if he had the mental capacity to form any meaningful opinion on any subject of strategic significance. Basically, what he'll do is first run it by his patrons in big oil to see if it meeets their approval and then he'll ask Cheney to tell him what his opinion should be.

[nynative1340]

We got what the "...plain folks of the land..." wanted: a moron in the White House.

[marcodele]

It will take them two years to get Junior to admit what the situation on the ground really is.
He can only relate to that cushy 'fortunate son' stint he got in the Alabama national guard... for a few weeks.

I just know in the end Babs and Poppy are going to have to come into the meetings and give W a whoopin'.