Comments on: Bush Hears New Perspectives On Iraq

Bipartisan Panel Discusses Iraq War With President, Other Officials

[feelfree1]

And part 2:

"Do not fight for a dying regime. It is not worth your life." (pResident Bush)

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[rharrin1]

jiminoregon

Nobody could have said it better, good post.

Look what happened here church and state do not mix the last six years proves that.

[rharrin1]

pakaal

NO just serve them the same dish they like to serve.

[kaliveotin]

Establish Large Mega bases near the boarders of IRAN and SYRIA, and ABSOLUTELY STOP the incursion of anti-American forces into IRAQ. Triple the number of special forces in Bagdad and Anwar province to uproot the bombers and other insurgent forces. Disarm and dismantle the Militias which are causing most of the civil strife, both Sheite and Sunni. Distroy them if necessary. Neutralize or distroy the most violent and radical extreemists in IRAQ, no matter the consequences. So far we have been acting like sitting ducks, failing to find and take out the forces which are regularly killing Americans. We know who the radicals are, both sheite and Sunni, so far we have shown little will to make them pay. For example, WHY HAVE WE FAILED TO ACT AGAINST MURDERERS IN SADIR CITY?

[pakaal]

jiminoregon, you said "I am referring to the difference between Sunni and Shiite."

Although the historical difference comes from what you mention, the divide between the two groups comes from the Sunni being the "upper class" and keeping the Shi'a oppressed. The historical reason for the split was religious but the hatred and killing now comes from Saddam Hussein (Sunni) hating and killing the Shiites. It's certainly NOT as simple as a doctrinal difference within Islam, it has everything to do with repression and killing of one group by the other for decades.

[pakaal]

If they are not christians shoot them, blow them up, cut their heads off, if they love christ let them live.

rharrin1, you've managed to perfectly mirror EXACTLY what the terrorists say, just substitute Mohammed for Christ! Nothing like a little religious fanaticism on both sides to make a war really interesting, eh?

[nothappyatall]

Posted by exoticona: "People tend to forget that New York was attacked...people died. So what do you all propose? Sit back....wait it out...get hit by them again?"

Bush has made this WORSE, people died, but Bush killed 3,000 more of our guys and caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands MORE, he has crated more anger resentment and quest for REVENGE, People held now 5 years in jail without charges are now all enemies who will love to see us fry. There WILL be another 9/11 guaranteed because we have not changed one thing we did that CAUSED it in the first place!

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[nothappyatall]

Posted by exoticona: "Gee can't any of you people out there stop the Bush bashing. The media, and all those Bush haters"

Well THERES *** GOOD reason for all of it, all this is calling the shots LIKE IT IS, if you want to be a dimwit and continue standing up for this Bush moron and his lies, be my guest but his popularity is now only 31%- thats his xtian right winger support group who worships at his feet because he can do NO wrong

Posted by exoticona:
"can't you guys like come up with something like possibly relay a possible solution to this mess? "

SURE can hon, we give the Iraqi Govt notice to solve THEIR internal problems pronto and then we pull out 5,000 troops a week till they are all out of there. We have failed over there, this was an unwinnable war with no plan and no goals. Saddam is gone, let the rest of the people there battle it out amongst themselves.

Posted by exoticona:
"No one likes War! But if one really thought long and hard about our history, we would all know that it's the Veteran who has given us Liberty.."

WRONG, Bush and his cronies at HALIBURTON and other non bid contractors *LOVE* war, it lines their bank accounts from those $45 6 packs of pepsi's and $100 per soldier laundry to name two items they rip us off on. How about the contractor's $200,000 a year truck drivers driving $19,000 soldiers around over there?


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[jimc52]

A lot of blood has been spilled over religious matters in two thousand years, not just in Islam.
Christians are just as guilty, all the way up to the Irish and British, over being Protestant or Catholic. The point of the matter is, no matter who gets killed, God hasn't changed his/her position. We are all here, despite all the killing, God is still here and most of us, who do not have religious hatred in our hearts are still asking, when are all of you going to get over it? God is asking you the same question.
Whether you say "God is One," or "God is Great," or God whatever, it doesn't do any good if all you have is murder in your hearts.

There won't be an answer to Iraq until Islam decides to settle their dispute and put aside once and for all, a difference which cannot be settled by murder. The Iraqi people have to find a way to see past their tribal and cultural differences towards a national cause which unifies them. I'll tell you this much: there won't be any peace until there is mutual RESPECT.
I think the answer lies within Islam in general,
which is a far more difficult problem than the Iraq question alone.

[jimc52]

Really. It's unbelievable. I am referring to the difference between Sunni and Sheite. Here is the difference:

Muhammad never designated who should be his successor as leader of Islam. After his death, Muslim leaders quickly decided that Muhammad's friend and father-in-law, Abu Bakr, should be caliph (chief executive, commander-in-chief, chief justice and leader, imam, of public worship). Abu Bakr was one of the first converts to Islam. The first four successors of Muhammad are called the "rightly guided caliphs." The fourth, 'Ali, was Muhammad's cousin. Ali was assassinated by fanatics in favor of Mu'awiya of the Umayyad family being the leader. Hasan and Husayn, sons of 'Ali and Muhammad's daughter, Fatima, were the surviving male heirs of Muhammad. Because of special interest in the family of Muhammad, there had been a "faction (shi'a) of 'Ali" that felt he and his descendants were the obvious successors. The Shi'ites call their leaders imams rather than caliphs, tracing them down through a number of generations from Imam 'Ali.
In all other important respects, the Shi'ites share the same story with the Sunnites, the majority group in Islam that looks to the four rightly guided caliphs as the proper successors to Muhammad.

Source(s):
The Sacred Paths of the West, Theodore M. Ludwig

And this is the only reason for killing each other...over something done almost 13 centuries ago? Unbelievable! Just incredible. Why not get OVER IT? Is this a reason to kill each other?