Comments on: 70 U.S. Troops Killed In Iraq This Month

October Could Be Deadliest For U.S. In Almost 2 Years, As 11 Killed Already This Week

[talkingham]

Why Bush and Rumsfeld continue to lie about the original need for a larger force to occupy Iraq from the beginning is beyond me. Any general who disagreed with their strategy was fired or forced to retire- so this regular lie that "we listened to the generals in field" is a sad, tired joke. Bush is right all the time so don't go there America.

They won the initial battle but put forward little more than a modern day strategy of carpetbaggetry to sustain the "peace." No real definition of "winning" has ever been put forward. A democratic Iraq, I doubt it, more like an Islamic theocracy is going to happen there and we all know it. Everyone except the president.

So, when I hear the repub governor of Arkansas on TV today suggesting that what we now need in North Korea is "regime change" I can only shake my head and wonder where these people come from. I can't say how many times in the last two years I've heard how crazy NK's dictator is and irrational too - it's the media mantra. Yeah, he's irrational like a fox. The Bush Cheney fixation on Iraq is costing us big time in lives and what will eventually be trillions of dollars by the time we replace our equipment and provide healthcare to the thousands of GIs who will need this for the rest of their lives. And for what, to create an Islamic theocracy in Iraq.

[nynative1340]

late531 said:
"Why should I look up 'MS 13'or 'mara salvatrucha' when I can look up 'KKK', 'Aryan Brotherhood', or 'Crips'?"

You shouldn't if you don't care to know, or if you are bias against the three you mentioned and favor gangs comprised of illegal aliens. But I'll tell you anyway.

The KKK, Aryan Brotherhood, and Crips are all violent gangs whose members are, for the most part, U.S. citizens. The KKK was also comprised mostly of self-proclaimed Christians.

The Mara Salvatrucha, aka 'MS 13' is comprised primarily of Salvadorans in this country illegally. They are far more violent and in much greater numbers, 6000 in D.C. alone, than the other gangs. Their illegal status makes them more difficult to find.

I'll leave it to your curiosity, or lack of it, to look them up, or not look them up.

[nynative1340]

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Was it worth it? Depends on whom you ask. Was there a communist domino effect? Obviously not.

Will democracy work in an Arab nation. Obviously. They elected that Iranian terrorist didn't they?

Can Sunnis, Shias, and Turks get along? Yeah, right! About as well as the Christians and Native Americans in our early years; or the Catholics and Protestants in midieval England, or in Northern Ireland in the not too distant past.

Is an attempt at an unlikely peacefull democracy in Iraq worth even one American life? Are we really defending the U.S. with a war in Iraq? The answer to both questions is: Not only NO, but H*LL NO!!

Where are the terrorists? Bush's Waterloo is Tora Bora, where he let thousands of terrorists escape. Bush's Chauvin is Rumsfeld and Cheney. (Or maybe Bush is Cheney's Chauvin!)

(NOTE: Lt. Chauvin nourished a blind idolatry for his hero, Napoleon. His enthusiasm for the emperor and his professions of militant patriotism won for him the ridicule of his comrades and gave rise to the term, "chauvinism", the eponym for blind and excessive nationalism.)

[nynative1340]

It's sad that the people who are sent to fight the battles are the last ones to know the truth.

When I served in Vietnam I knew that Kennedy allowed Vietnamese President Diem to be assassinated because he would not 'go along' with U.S. policy. But I had no idea that the 'war' was actually stated with a lie: The Tonkin Gulf incident never happened. Johnson made it up. Albeit, N. Vietnam should have been obliterated. But was the FAILURE worth 50,000+ young Americans lives?

Johnson and Bush have a lot in common: Both are from Texas; both were remarkably unprepared to be president; and both started wars on a lie.

Bush made up the WMD that Saddam never had. The facts are that Bush and his neo-cons had been planning this war from the day he became President. The media has been extremely kind to Bush by not pursuing this fact as reported by Paul O'Neill in 'The Price of Loyalty.'

Just like Vietnam, the Iraq war started out with relatively few casualties, a few here, a few there. But when full-scale war broke out, the casualties escalated into the 100s, then 1000s. By 1973, when we were finally defeated, over 50,000 Americans were killed, along with countless North and South Vietnamese.

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[lale561]

Hey nynative1340...
Why should I look up 'MS 13'or 'mara salvatrucha' when I can look up 'KKK', 'Aryan Brotherhood', or 'Crips'?
Also, about the violence around illegals. You must have forgotten to mention that much of that crime is perpetrated ON the illegals because they are more reluctant to call the police.

[drgoodwin12]

To PeterBaldwin here is a more accurate story of the current political climate.Here is a link that relates to this story,it is from a conservative newspaper and the story does not bode well for the GOP.http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefi
x/2006/10/parsing_the_polls_gauging_vote
_1.html#more
In order to access this story you have to create an account but it is free.The anger factor is motivating various groups that are not democrat to vote democrat.

[drgoodwin12]

To whatithink it is obvious by reading the rising death toll of civilians.Why is CUT AND RUN not a viable strategy.Iraq is bordered by Syria and Iran both countries are not allies of ours and have contributed to the bloodshed and daily violence that occurs in Iraq.It would by cutting and running give a base of operations for Muslim extremist.Secondly if someone (U.S.)broke into your home and murdered the majority of your family and that individual(U.S.) had considerable finacial assets you would have every right to demand justice and compensation.This is oversimplifying the situation but I beleive you catch the drift.Since the so called crackdown on Bagdad,violence and murder have escalated to a point that there almost as many Iraqis being killed as when Saddam is in power.He is on trial for the death of 148 people not thousands.Anyone can see that parts ofthe Iraqi goverment,military and police are in corroboration with all the various factors.They have lacked the will to crackdown on their own goverment,police and military.We have to be heavy footed with them in order for them to do what they need to do,purge the ranks of goverment,military and police so they can restore order.

[nynative1340]

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Fourth, immigration into this country is out of control. We have so many people allowed in legally that we can't possibly integrate or assimilate them into our society. Many of the people from the south of us march in protest to our laws while waving the flags of their homeland. Citizen or illegal, they will NEVER be loyal to the U.S., as evidenced by their homeland flag waving, and therefore will NEVER assimilate into our society and culture. Their only common denominator with the majority of U.S. citizens is their Christian religion.

[nynative1340]

candojj, if you don't know much about Islam, maybe you should study religion before you make such statements.

First, Islam is a religion that is based on Judaism and Christianity, and like those two religions, started as a very peaceful religion. You probably don't know that Jesus is a prophet in the Islam religion, or that all three religions worship the same God. I won't even go into how violent all three of these religions have become, or how far they have diverted from their original beginnings. While Jesus was always a Jew, he would be still be appalled at the wealth being made from a religion created in His name (e.g. Robertson, Graham, Swaggert, et al).

Second, most Muslims who are in this country are here legally, and most are no less peaceful or religious than the typical (ideal) Christian.

Third, if we are going to secure our borders (and we should), we should round up the people who are here ILLEGALLY and send them home. Most of the illegals in this country are from the third-world countries to the south of us, and far too many of them are very dangerous. It's a fact that where there are a lot of illegals, there is a higher rate of crime.

Also, look up 'MS 13' or 'mara salvatrucha' and tell me these aren't seriously violent people.

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[usawatchman]

TROOPS DIE IN-VAIN for a
CORRUPT GOVERNMENT

IT all comes down to the COURTS and
Don't forget in

UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT
James B. Veasaw v. Cari M. Domingues,et al.
No: 05-1467

the U.S. SUPREME COURT COVERED UP GOVERNMENT CRIME
even when the CRIMES showed up
on paper in the COURT RECORD..!

I guess we have a DOUBLE STANDARD JUSTICE SYSTEM
you know
ONE for the GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES
(Bureaucrats / Politicians)
and
ONE FOR THE PEASANTS
(The People)..!