Good riddance. Who cares about Jeff Hall's Nazism? It's just a juicy angle for the reporter to exploit. His own sister admits he beat his wife and kids. The boy did what he had to do to protect himself, his mom and his family. People who abuse defenseless kids belong in two places only: behind bars and six feet under. He had it coming.
this whole show sucks, the only INTERESTING part is to know why the kid did it and i want an interview with him. a GOOD interview half an hour long. that's it, not all the other bs background.
I would like to see more News repots on how the white National Socialist Movement has affected the Republican Party. Moreover, I don't think any white hate group would belong to the Demarcated Party; a political party that has an African American President and 96% of African American supports the Demarcated Party
well the mom admitted to being conservitive republican and the son turned out to be a nazi. so I'm guessing the moms politics had an effect on the son becoming a nazi. she taught him, he taught his son, and so it goes.
Willy Joe sez..."I don't think any white hate group would belong to the Demarcated Party; a political party that has an African American President and 96% of African American supports the Demarcated Party"
And we know the homicide rate of African Americans murdering other African Americans. And sense almost all African Americans are "demarcates" I guess most of the African American murders are committed by "demarcates".
Follow the whole story, genius. Young Joseph's grandmother cites several precursor incidents which would indicate that this was a troubled child who had exhibited anti-social tendencies. Choking a teacher with a phone cord-would this likewise constitute "Standing up to hate"? In his grandmother's words, "He doesn't understand cause and effect". Define "heroics" in this context for me, please.
If that son survives J D & is released; he will, almost without any doubt, create chaos & havoc. He will most likely injure & maim & murder. It appears that he has limited capability to empathize with others. He can react as others might expect him in order to survive. The "race issue" is not so clear cut as some seem to think: It is not with clearly defined borders as in a digital readout. It is more like an analog meter upon which arbitrary divisions are set. Those 'Whites' ought to be reminded that they are the more recent boarders in North America. The Algonquin & the Leni-Lenape were there long before the European tribes. I hope that s Hopi would remind them of that fact. Ms Leslie Stahl did not do her best with the interviews. It is for us, in the audience, to exhibit our biases easily. However, the reportage was well done. There ought to plans to report on the trial. I would even like to know more about the rest of the grandparents & perhaps even further back.
I wonder if that sick reporter could have smiled and licked her fangs any more than she did concerning the murder of Jeff Hall. I wonder if the commenters realize the hate they are espousing. Simple test: Replace your hate-filled statements of Nazis with Jews instead. See if you find your comments disgusting and full of racism. If so, re-examine your heart. If not, shame on you.
"See if you find your comments disgusting and full of racism."
Wow, I didn't realize Nazis were a race!
Your comparison is dumb because Jews are a race; Nazis are people who share a common ideology. While it's mean to attack people for things they can't help (like their race), it's fine to criticize them for things they can change at any time, like their idiotic ideology. But oh yeah, I forgot...we're supposed to be "tolerant" of everything, even blatantly bad and stupid belief systems. So sorry, Nazi concern troll.
Anyway, I don't see Jeff Hall's Nazism as even being that relevant to the situation. It's just an interesting angle for reporters to exploit. All that really happened is that a disturbed, abused kid killed his abusive dad. My sympathy is for the kid and his family, not his ******* dad who beat him.
@sp1ral1na, Don't attempt to employ your inability to grasp JT's analogy in your effort to discredit National Socialists' right to be acknowledged as a specific demographic. National Socialists are a political group, whereas to be "Jewish" defines at once somebody's race, religion and nationality.
You didn't know Mr. Hall. We did. Don't presume to know who any of us are or what we do.
I tutor children and have been adopted by a cat who has declared the foot of my bed as her nocturnal territory. But if it gets you through the day, go ahead and assume I breed pitbulls for cage fighting and manufacture methamphetamine when I'm not converting rifles to full-auto and will soon be in ATF custody.
OK, let's take this to its logical conclusion...Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, North America for Native Americans (and Texas and California for Mexicans), Europe for...ok, you guys can have Europe. Why don't you take your own lead and pull a Marcus Garvey, get a big boat and sail back to the Motherland. I'd LOVE to see how the EU reacts to a boat full of disgruntled, unemployed "American Nazis" seeking immigration.
The truth is, America was NEVER established as an all-white nation. These Nazi weirdos want to establish an anti-democratic, reactionary socialist state. This is nowhere in the US Constitution or any other ruling document, they're just pulling it out of their *****. For that alone their views should be vociferously dismissed.
And none of it matters anyway. When China and India complete their rise to power we're all screwed anyway. These guys are pissing up the entirely wrong tree.
Why were viewers subjected to this bizarre/hate-filled/tragic story at all?
From the story's transcript: "Jeff Hall was a rising star in the largest neo-Nazi group in the country, the National Socialist Movement, or NSM... The numbers nationwide are still small - 500 members tops, but they're growing."
Growing?? Growing to what...600? Maybe a thousand?
A tiny, tiny (lunatic) fringe group...
Answering my own question: Aired for sensationalist appeal. Gawking horror - from the rest of us (who qualify as human beings). Ratings.
Can't we do better? Bring back Mike Wallace to investigate issues that actually impact at least some of us in the real world.
is it? how many people actully agree with these lunitics but just arn't willing to get the uniform out of the closet just yet?according to his mother, he was a regular guy until about 3 years ago. then the bad economy turned him into a nazi. anybody believe that? shouldn't we all be nazis? no, this man was taught to think that way, just like he was teaching his son to think that way. and now that the grandmother has custody of the rest of the grand kids, she will teach them.
Jeff Hall got what was coming to him. His 10 year old son was bound to do some kind violence. Look what happen while he was in school. Only this time it came to Jeff's home and at the hands of his own child. He blames other people who are different from him for his woes. It's funny he has been out of work for 3 years, but yet he has a home where he can have these nazi meetings and other people are losing their homes. He must have forgot these same people are out of work as him at a higher rate. They are not joining a group to hate other people who are different for them. The Grandmother is in denile about everything. Had it been a black man kill her son she would have put on a nazi uniform. She still doesn't see the problem and her eyes are wide open. Jeff Schoep says his group is the white civil rights organzation. Well, Jeff! I never heard of any civil rights organzation using violence to get what they want. You are one sad ass man. It is groups like yours who are the Terrorist of this country. If Americans do not wake up and see it is the people in our own backyard who will kills us. Not some one from another country.
Lots of organizations use violence to get what they want. What about the Black Panthers, or The Teamsters Union? What is scarey is how easy it was for Jeff Hall to "fall into" this life style. So, he was broke and pissed that illegals took him jobs... Who paid for that nice house that he heald those meetings and social gatherings in? Did the NSM pay his rent or food for all the guys that came over on the third Saturday of every month? Who bought the meat and the booze and the sound system they used at these events? What I really think we should be pissed about is that Jeff Shoup was not paying Jeff Hall's bills... The State of California was. Food stamps and welfare paid for Nazi gatherings. Check out Jeff Shoup with his mixed race kids. It's all pretty silly when you get to the dirt of it. And, they talked about all the blacks and illegals on welfare and foodstamps. We all know his wife Krista had no job...
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that's it, not all the other bs background.
And we know the homicide rate of African Americans murdering other African Americans. And sense almost all African Americans are "demarcates" I guess most of the African American murders are committed by "demarcates".
The "race issue" is not so clear cut as some seem to think: It is not with clearly defined borders as in a digital readout. It is more like an analog meter upon which arbitrary divisions are set. Those 'Whites' ought to be reminded that they are the more recent boarders in North America. The Algonquin & the Leni-Lenape were there long before the European tribes. I hope that s Hopi would remind them of that fact.
Ms Leslie Stahl did not do her best with the interviews. It is for us, in the audience, to exhibit our biases easily. However, the reportage was well done. There ought to plans to report on the trial. I would even like to know more about the rest of the grandparents & perhaps even further back.
Wow, I didn't realize Nazis were a race!
Your comparison is dumb because Jews are a race; Nazis are people who share a common ideology. While it's mean to attack people for things they can't help (like their race), it's fine to criticize them for things they can change at any time, like their idiotic ideology. But oh yeah, I forgot...we're supposed to be "tolerant" of everything, even blatantly bad and stupid belief systems. So sorry, Nazi concern troll.
Anyway, I don't see Jeff Hall's Nazism as even being that relevant to the situation. It's just an interesting angle for reporters to exploit. All that really happened is that a disturbed, abused kid killed his abusive dad. My sympathy is for the kid and his family, not his ******* dad who beat him.
You didn't know Mr. Hall. We did. Don't presume to know who any of us are or what we do.
I tutor children and have been adopted by a cat who has declared the foot of my bed as her nocturnal territory. But if it gets you through the day, go ahead and assume I breed pitbulls for cage fighting and manufacture methamphetamine when I'm not converting rifles to full-auto and will soon be in ATF custody.
The truth is, America was NEVER established as an all-white nation. These Nazi weirdos want to establish an anti-democratic, reactionary socialist state. This is nowhere in the US Constitution or any other ruling document, they're just pulling it out of their *****. For that alone their views should be vociferously dismissed.
And none of it matters anyway. When China and India complete their rise to power we're all screwed anyway. These guys are pissing up the entirely wrong tree.
From the story's transcript: "Jeff Hall was a rising star in the largest neo-Nazi group in the country, the National Socialist Movement, or NSM...
The numbers nationwide are still small - 500 members tops, but they're growing."
Growing?? Growing to what...600? Maybe a thousand?
A tiny, tiny (lunatic) fringe group...
Answering my own question: Aired for sensationalist appeal. Gawking horror - from the rest of us (who qualify as human beings). Ratings.
Can't we do better? Bring back Mike Wallace to investigate issues that actually impact at least some of us in the real world.
is it? how many people actully agree with these lunitics but just arn't willing to get the uniform out of the closet just yet?according to his mother, he was a regular guy until about 3 years ago. then the bad economy turned him into a nazi. anybody believe that? shouldn't we all be nazis? no, this man was taught to think that way, just like he was teaching his son to think that way. and now that the grandmother has custody of the rest of the grand kids, she will teach them.