Comments on: Did Clinton Damage "Glass Ceiling"?

Two Leading Progressive Women Discuss The Question, On The Early Show

[mcpetey22]

I''m glad to read these comments by a lot of sensible people who see the obvious. How arrogant for Hillary Clinton to believe she lost the election because she''s a victim of sexism. She''s a victim of being Hillary. Plain and simple. She was long prepared to cry sexism if she lost this campaign. This demonstrates her stereotype of Americans, not the other way around. She never would have launched such a massive campaign without thoroughly reading and understanding the polls, which indicated America is not sexist enough to keep a woman from being our leader. Get over yourself, Hillary! You were a popular first lady, and became symbol of hope for women in powerful roles. But you weren''t the right one for the job. Another woman, who will be more qualified, who hasn''t taken shortcuts, who''s fame doesn''t rely on that her husband, and who is more respected will someday be our President. I hope I have the chance to vote for her.

[bdaman4you]

jmelt3

I think what got most upset was that Hillery never once said the opposite: "Hard Working Black Voters support Obama"

Many, in particular, were upset by her not saying the Hard Working part of the other phrase.

[jmelt3]

"Schroeder said Clinton''s campaign showed, ''There''s a tremendous amount of sexism still out there, and society simply doesn''t deal with sexism as it does, say, with racism and anti-Semitism...''"

It irks me to no end when people from this or that group that faces discrimination claims something to the effect of "our group is more oppressed than anybody else''s group." Not only was racism toward Obama every bit as obvious as sexism toward Clinton, but Clinton herself even appealed to racist sentiments during the campaign, as for example when she spoke of how "hard-working white Americans" supported her more than they did Obama. In fact, there were repeated insinuations from the Clinton campaign that Obama couldn''t win because he was black.

[jmelt3]

"Schroeder said Clinton''s campaign showed, ''There''s a tremendous amount of sexism still out there, and society simply doesn''t deal with sexism as it does, say, with racism and anti-Semitism...''"

It irks me to no end when people from this or that group that faces discrimination claims something to the effect of "our group is more oppressed than anybody else''s group." Not only was racism toward Obama every bit as obvious as sexism toward Clinton, but Clinton herself even appealed to racist sentiments during the campaign, as for example when she spoke of how "hard-working white Americans" supported her more than they did Obama. In fact, there were repeated insinuations from the Clinton campaign that Obama couldn''t win because he was black.

[nellpost]

HILLARY is/was/will continue to be my hero!

[maggie118]

Human rights, dignity and respect include women%u2019s rights, dignity and respect. It is obvious that sexism is still acceptable and even amusing to many in the Democratic Party. I amshamed of the way leaders of my party have treated one of its presidential candidates.
I have been a life long Democrat, but for the first time, I do not feel at home in this party.
There are those who say we must unite for the sake of the party, Supreme Court nominations and Roe v. Wade, etc. I find this argument to be a little disingenuous considering that many of those making it are still treating Hillary Clinton and her supporters with contempt.
For those who are truly concerned about these issues and want me to unite with you, there is something you must know. I will not just fall in line on command or through intimidation or further indignities. While I am deeply concerned about these issues, unless this party finds its grounding in fundamental fairness and respect for all, and adequately addresses the shortcomings made so apparent in the past few months, those issues are just a few of our worries and they will not control my vote.
If Barak Obama wants my vote, he will have to earn it by addressing these issues. Only then will I trust him with all the other issues that are so important to me and to this country.

[ladyhawk41]

Oil and food costs (Now lets add textiles to that as well...cotton) have risen because our government is currently set up to make the rich richer and the poor poorer as well as make the middle class extinct (with all the out-sourcing of working class jobs). Speculators and trading games have made oil the new gold for investors and other commodities are following suit. However Gold prices do not affect so directly the middle and lower financial classes as oil, food and textiles obviously does. With the people demanding change our countries rich and corrupt are trying to milk as much as they can out of our pockets before the people either submit or take back it''s government. We need to blame the nation%u2019s problems within not some sort of outside conspiracy. 60% of the US oil comes from the US, Canada and Mexico while just 7% comes from the Saudis. Since everyone I have spoken with has dropped their consumption drastically prices should be going down. Unless our government is buying up the surplus to keep supply low and demand high, which could be the case, or speculators have a larger role then they lead us to believe in gouging from our wallets. Maybe it is a little of both.
Quite frankly it does not matter whom you vote for as long as the people make that person accountable and demand real change, smaller government, and more control for the people. At the rate the country is going we will have two classes of people and America will be no more the land of opportunity.

[catparry1]

hillary is in error, as are the quoted commentators. we can elect a woman, one who mirrors the qualities of barak obama. hillary is just "not the correct woman"; too much baggage, hostile, blaming, unskillful, harsh, unprincipled; in short, exemplifies the worst aspects of personhood. of note, i am a feminist.

[bdaman4you]

michaelt43

Rules of the Democrat Party are not due to someone''s (like me) attitude. How anyone can support a Candidate that ''knows'' the Rules she made and agreed upon, then tried to change them to win and Election is beyond hope. Did you not hear Hillary say the day before the Votes in FLA and MI that, ''These States violated the Rules and their Votes will not Count !'' Was she just kidding ?

As far as Obama goes, he had to face the Feminist Rules and backlash:

1) If you criticize (like Obama wanted a clear answer for the Mandates of the Hillary Heath Plan): You are attacking a Woman !

2) If you give a complement (like praising Hillary for a hard fought race): You are being condescending and you are attacking a Woman !

3) Men are always wrong: Ask any Wife or Girlfriend !
Men can never win !

[orthotox]

Look again Hillary: the glass ceiling is a mirror! How your own vanity and personal limitations reflexively get turned into systemic sexism and others''shortcomings sadly confirms the invidious stereotype of woman as self-indulgent, immature and irresponsible.
But see:"Just Like an Alien" @ http://orthotox.blogspot.com

[almitaaa]

Mrs clinton is a very lucky woman who is married to a an ex- president, after being first lady was opportunist enought to jump as senator, then she prolonged a lost battle and forced herself into those voters with the help of husband, somehow she wanted historic glory.
Yes there is sexism specially from arabs countries like saudi arabia, iran who still see woman as a second class citizen. A woman for president has not depended in USA but on the countries we depend from oil who has a developing mind on sexim. but more severe that sexism is racism that is a perpetrator of social injustice and Mrs. Clinton sure promoted racism. Sexism will go down by itself as we become a less dependent in foreign oil.

Hopefully the country allow for new electric cars to "break the glass" of the economy.

Hopefully the goverment resist the temptation from chevron and texaco (shell) lobbyst interest.
This multinational firms, have invested billions in the area of the caspian sea and gulf of guinea for more crude.

Hopefull we can be free from oil weapon manipulation from the arab countries, and the money we spend on gas goes to our USA electricity plants.

with electric cars we can say bye to terrorist threatening oil pipes.

As senator Obama said, we want change.

[rkkirch]

Obama voting for change means that is all we in the shrinking middle class will have when he gets through pandering to those who voted for him. Remember his words in Hollywood when he thought he wasn''t being recorded? That is part of the real Obama.
Remember how he stood by Rev. Wright until his handlers told him it was hurting his campaign (Rev. Wright told you how it was when he said that Obama said what he had to because he was a politician but you didn''t listen)?
Remember how his wife, in spite of all that she has received, was essentially never proud to be an American?
Has America gone so shallow that it votes for the snake oil salesman with the good talk even though he has yet to deliver anything. Have we gone to acting as if our National elections are another version of American Idol?

[beth7777]

My lack of support for Hillary was based on the fact that she is still married to that cigar pervert who shouldn''t be anywhere near the White House ever again. And any woman who thinks Bill Clinton isn''t a disgrace to this country needs a thump on the head.

[cosmotopper]

Having listened patiently to all these angry Clinton supporters, and registered their threats to retaliate because they didn''t get the outcome they wanted, I''m convinced that for them this was not about any political issue at all. It was about identifying with a woman who''s struggled for recognition all her life, been dissed by her husband for reasons not her fault, and been dissed by the electorate for reasons that are entirely her fault.

There''s nothing really wrong in all of that, and I don''t blame her and her supporters for feeling bitter. We all know life isn''t fair, but because we''re human, we still feel crummy about it. What bothers me is the relentless drumbeat to try and justify it, to blame it on sexism, or Barack Obama, and generally adopt the mantle of victims.

Grow up. Hillary Clinton set the rules of the contest, and Obama beat her anyway.

[bdaman4you]

Amazing how people don''t know the English Language anymore:

sweet7ie [ sw%uF7FCtee ] (plural sweet7ies)

noun

Definition:

1. term of endearment: used as a term of endearment

2. endearing person or animal: a likable or lovable person or animal.

My Grandfather and probably everyove GF/Grand Mother called many many people sweetie. This term has never been though of as a bad term till Obama said it. Try to find one instance anywhere at anytime. It just shows that ''they'' will stoop to anything to put Obama down.

Obama spent most of his life with his Grandparents and people like that say sweetie all the time.

[uphigh7]

Senator Clinton lost the race on her own accord, not because of the fact that she is a woman. Who honestly thinks that a woman can''t handle the job? What evidence is there to support that she was discriminated against because shes a female? Would people not say the same thing about Obama not winning because hes black? Stop stereotyping and making an issue out of something that is not. Everytime someone like Schroeder or Jesse Jackson cry wolf it sets their respective groups back. It shows their weaknesses, not their strengths. Obama won because hes the better candidate, not because Hillary is a chick.

[trufrmost]

Continued...
Ohhhh...but that would mean possibly accepting defeat based upon the public not agreeing that you are the right person for the job. Unthikable that all the unschooled ignorant masses could actually choose the best person based on content of character,ability to lead, and substance of ideas and ideology.
I am finished...thanks for reading and good day to you all. Keep America strong and vote your conscience not political correctness or party line! I believe in our process!!

[trufrmost]

What is wrong with not voting for someone because of skin color or gender. In todays world where everyone seems to make up their own rules and reasons for what they do and think...I would think that it would be open season for racist and sexist bigots! Hey..the more the merrier!! Truth be told, those who claim to have been treated unfairly because of their race or ***...more times than not want some kind of special consideration for being "different". Hillary wants to be judged only by her merits...but then points out that she is a woman and its about time a woman gets to hold the highest office in the land...as if being a woman is somehow a qualifier. And B.O....the same mantra occurs from him when he talks about his upbringing and that he is a black man that can understand how the oppressed blacks of this world feel. Are there blacks that are still oprressed by whites?...or are they oppressed by the "lie" that racism is holding them back, and therfore choose to believe and live by the lie!!! And if it were to be true (which it is not) that there is oppression of blacks "by" whites...does he really understand or just "halfway" understand? Remember, he is only half black! They both want to have thier cake and eat it too. If they really want to impress...leave all the talk about black and female out of the equation and just stick to their ideology and experience, etc.

[lorinkundert]

If anyone had unearned votes, it was Hillary ignoring the agreement she made to not campaign in Florida or Michigan and then crying about it after every other candidate fulfilled their part of the agreement.

[jessicanaomi-2009]

Obama tied the tails of the donkey and the elephant together when he decided that only half the Florida voters counted. He spread donkey dung all over the glass ceiling when he claimed votes from Michigan he never earned -- he decided not to be put on the ballot. Audacious yes, hopeful not so much.

The DNC bolted plywood under that glass ceiling.

American soldiers are dying for democracy in Iraq, while democracy in America is dying thanks to the DNC.