Comments on: Poll: More Think The "Surge" Is Helping

35% Say Iraq War Strategy Is Making Things Better, 70% Doubt Iraqi Government

[iceman_1960]

RE: Post by radiob at 05:28 PM : Sep 09, 2007

Those were all George W. Bush quotes.

[donnie900]

"newster: so what can we do constitutionally-wise? Do we have to remove shrub from office? After all it IS an office, not a man (sorry girls) ........and donnie, you are still up? Careful man, we want you to hang around......"

Why? I don''t like you guyz, ya know.. I''d butttfukk yaz sideways.

[pilgrimsway-2009]

Come on! Either you and I would be heartbroken for one soldier losing His life. What makes you think the president does not feel the same pain. Anyone who thinks our president does not have a conscious aught to have his head examine. The citizens of Iraq need help. Not to be left to genocide as Ted Kennedy says He would do. What morals are being communicating here?

[feelfree1]

dissidentman,

Re: "God Bless those who stand for America."

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"GIs morale dips as Iraq war drags on"

"I don''t see any progress. Just us getting killed," said Spc. Yvenson Tertulien, one of those in the dining hall in Yousifiya, 10 miles south of Baghdad, as Bush''s speech aired last month. "I don''t want to be here anymore."

"There are two different wars," said Staff Sgt. Donald Richard Harris, comparing his soldiers'' views with those of commanders in distant bases. "It''s a dead-end process, it seems like."

www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-morale25aug25,0,6831100,print.story

[iceman_1960]

"If there is no political reconciliation, then it''s all for nothing. What little success we''''ve had will be erased."
- Posted by micma at 03:15 PM : Sep 09, 2007

That WAS the stated objective of the Surge. Robert Gates said so himself. Not "victory" but "buying time" for an Iraqi political reconciliation.

That''s why we need a reasonable, publicly stated deadline, at which time our troops will leave that country.

Then the Iraqi government forces either will or will not be ready, but then it''s on them; either way our national conscience will be clean, as far as pulling out is concerned.

[donnie900]

Maybe all democracies are failures, radio bob.

[drummer94]

radiob: U trying to horn in on Randal, er SGTDS, and Icedude''s gig? Keep da day job.

[feelfree1]

dissidentman,

Re: "God Bless those who stand for America."

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"Fatigue Cripples US Army In Iraq"

"The army is worn out. We are just keeping people in theatre who are exhausted," says a soldier working for the US army public affairs office who is supposed to be telling me how well things have been going since the "surge" in Baghdad began."

"They are not supposed to talk like this. We are driving and another of the public affairs team adds bitterly: "We should just be allowed to tell the media what is happening here. Let them know that people are worn out. So that their families know back home. But it%u2019s like we%u2019ve become no more than numbers now."

www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/12/3129

[drummer94]

newster: so what can we do constitutionally-wise? Do we have to remove shrub from office? After all it IS an office, not a man (sorry girls) ........and donnie, you are still up? Careful man, we want you to hang around......

[ubrew12]

They need a plan for political reconciliation in Iraq, or it''ll all be for naught. Best chance for that is international pressure for engaged democracy and strong central government. Bush needs to push on the political side for international involvement to create an Iraqi government that can be strong, centralized, yet still a democracy. That''s too much for the U.S. to create alone, since we lack the credibility to pull it off (half the population is still shooting at us, for Christsakes). This means involvement of Syrians, Turks, Saudis, Kuwaitis, and yes, Iranians. Get the UN involved and Europe (and get them to help with the cost). With that kind of international attention, money, and credibility, a LEGITIMATE central Iraqi government can be created.

Otherwise, as soon as we leave, the unbury the guns and start up the civil war again.