Comments on: Poll: More Think The "Surge" Is Helping

35% Say Iraq War Strategy Is Making Things Better, 70% Doubt Iraqi Government

[taotxzen]

The stated purpose of the surge was to create enough security in and around Baghdad to give Iraqi
politicians breathing room to pursue reconciliation. But with the exception of some very minor recent concessions on de-Baathification, the Shiite-led government has stuck to positions that have prevented most Sunnis from participating in the government. Moreover, it is increasingly difficult to speak of an Iraqi government that has power or authority outside Baghdad%u2019s Green
Zone. Real power resides with the militias on the ground, which are competing for resources and influence throughout much of Iraq.

The surge has done nothing to change this%u2013in large part because the United States, despite its sizable military and substantial economic largesse, is powerless to coerce or cajole change in the centers of power. Any gains the surge has produced may be gone tomorrow, like a footprint washed away by the tide.

The surge has thus been a cruel hoax on the American people and on our servicemen and -women (more
than 600 of whom have been killed and 4,000 injured since the surge was announced). It is yet another Administration bid to stave off public pressure to withdraw and thus to avoid admitting failure. This irresponsibility%u2013this morally indefensible sacrifice of American and Iraqi lives in pursuit of unachievable goals%u2013must end.

[mudrose-2009]

Well the Dimnowits have a new contender in the Presidential race -- bin laden himself. Why he''s so up on their agenda with global warming, subprime woes, taxes, etc. In fact the only way bin laden now sees a win for al-Qaeda is if America converts to Islam, which will never happen. Yeah, I guess the surge is working. But for the Dimnos, that would be a disaster since Reid, Schumer, Pewlosi et al, know that if we lose, the figures for the Dimnowits rise to power will be over the top. The Dimnowits - never missing an opportunity to betray their country for power. Right up there with Noreiga and Chavez and Ahmie. Why even that rat face Kucinich appeared on Arab TV and derrided his own country. Why we let people like this back in astounds me.

[lars008-2009]

it is fascist nazi terrorislam stupid%u2026.

non muslims of the world unite... fight against the tyranny of the fascist nazi terrorslam imperialist empire of the darkside...

I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist
By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair''s bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570&in_page_id=1770

Bless the Beasts and Children
Fascist nazi terrorslam kills every man woman and child in the village again%u2026 typical mo for terrorslam%u2026
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/bless-the-beasts-and-children.htm

Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13759&ln=eng&txt=before%20islam%20arabia%20pagan

the truth about fascist nazi terrorislam...
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/

[killtheliars]

more Americans are dying since the surge then before.

1/06 %u2013 65: 1/07 %u2013 83

2/06 %u2013 55: 2/07 %u2013 81

3/06 %u2013 31: 3/07 %u2013 81

4/06 %u2013 76: 4/07 %u2013 104

5/06 %u2013 69: 5/07 %u2013 126

6/06 %u2013 61: 6/07 %u2013 101

7/06 %u2013 43: 7/07 %u2013 79

8/06 %u2013 65: 8/07 %u2013 81

[samrensho]

That only means that Shrub and Shooter cut some more people in on skimming fat US contracts in Iraq.

[bobnjersey]

[The poll finds 35 percent say the surge has made things better, up from 29 percent last month and 19 percent in July. Only 12 percent say it has made things worse, but nearly half see no change in either direction, according to the poll. ]

does the ''poll'' say anything about how these people get any of their information ... and how in the world would they really know what the h3!! is going on?

where''s the poll that says that what people say in polls really means nothing at all?

[jkjunebug]

This journalist needs to go back to school. If the surge is "helping" according to the people polled, the majority of which say that the surge has no impact, that Iraq will never be a stable democracy, and that the Project for a New American Century Think Tank''s -- that is, this lying president''s administration''s -- invasion into Iraq was a mistake, then where does this journalist come off with such a shoddy headline.

[jkjunebug]

If 45% in the poll are saying that the surge has NO EFFECT and 12% are saying it is bad, then 67% of the population polled are claiming that the surge is mainly an exercise in futility, 12% are claiming it''s even worse than that. As far as the poll goes, LESS feel that the surge is of ANY USE. And MORE readers of the Washington Post feel disappointed and disgusted in the misleading headline since the poll question addressed IMPACT, not who was in favor or not in favor.

More are in favor of honest headlines, fair exposition, and journalists with integrity and intelligence.

[trillion1]

They **** on our backs and some still believe it''s raining.

[prinzowhales]

Here is a link to an article by a former STARS AND STRIPES reporter who points to the convergence of interests between ''al Qaeda'' and the Washington Regime.

http://uruknet.info/?p=m36103&s1=h1

The article notes that ''al Qaeda'' has a PR interest in exaggerating its importance and has tried to conflate itself with the Insurgency. This conflation of a mad-dog-style gang of civilian killers with the freedom fighters naturally would paint the entire insurgency in a bad light and would serve US interests.

But, al Qaeda has always served US interests. Its precursors were the foot soldiers of Brezinski''s war against the Soviet-friendly secular regime in Afghanistan and the ''soft and oil-rich underbelly of the old USSR''--probably, one of the primary causes for the reconfiguration of the USSR into the CIS.

''Al Qaeda'' has been used by the Washington Regime to justify its Stupid Peoples'' War in both Afghanistan and--far less convincingly--in Iraq. In the past it has been used by the UK to attempt the assassination of Qadafhi; as storm-troopers by the US-backed jihadists in Yugoslavia; and, in the attempts to undermine the CIS in Chechnya. Even in the first war against Iraq, bin Laden offered to aid the US against Saddam Hussein''s secularist regime. The Israelis have tried to capitalize on the ''brand name appeal'' of al Qaeda to establish al Qaeda cells in Palestine that have been uncovered by Palestinian Security forces.

[smirk5]

This whole Bush report on the surge that Petraeus will be testifying on is a sham. Name one commanding general that ever came back to a President and Congress to say he was losing a war or that a war was unwinnable. It''s like asking a used car salesman if he thinks you should buy a car and expecting him to objective about it. The stupidity of it is amazing. It''s exactly why the founding fathers wanted the military to be controlled by civilians. This Iraqi civil war won''t end until the Iraqis decide to end it. Our soldiers will continue to die while officiating the civil war that Bush and his voters made possible.

[smirk5]

This whole Bush report on the surge that Petraeus will be testifying is a sham. Name one commanding general that ever came back to a President and Congress to say he was losing a war or that a war was winnable. It''s like asking a used car salesman if he thinks you should buy a car and expecting him to objective about it. The stupidity of it is amazing. It''s exactly why the founding fathers wanted the military to be controlled by civilians. This Iraqi civil war won''t end until the Iraqis decide to end it. Our soldiers will continue to die while officiating the civil war that Bush and his voters made possible.

[smirk5]

If the media was really liberal, this article would be titled "65% of Americans Think
Surge Isn''t Successful"

[smirk5]

The surge is working so well that U.S. deaths in Iraq were higher in August than in July. When they were lower in July than June, the Cons pointed out to us that this meant things were getting better over there. By the very same logic, the increase in deaths in August has to mean that things began to get worse over there sometime between July and August. One thing is a guarantee. The Republicans and the military leaders in Iraq will tell us we need just 6 more months so they can tell us we need just 6 more months. There is no end to the war in Iraq until we get a President that will pull us out of there.
If a Republican wins in 2008, any soldiers or families of soldiers hoping that the Iraq war will end by 2012 will have to make other plans. If left to the Republicans, the Iraq war will be over when they say it is. That means never to me and you.

[sgtrds]

NOW: WHO IS WINNING IN IRAQ?

The U.S.
24%
The insurgents
12%
Neither side
60%


No one is winning. We are all losing. Except of course for the war contractors like Cheney who''s family will be spending the blood money from our troops for generations. Gutless cowardly Americans who won''t fight for their freedom and against an ever increasing Fascist''s government like Bush''s make me glad I''m getting old. I''d rather be dead then to live through the perversions of "freedom " and "democracy" his Nazi want to be''s are going to do to this country. Our children and grandchildren will never forgive us for not stopping these as*sholes before it was too late. they'' hate and curse this generation for centuries. And we deserve their hate.

[mh4cbs1]

CBS Does it every time.

Their headline: MORE THINK SURGE IS HELPING. Then read the fine print. Only 35% think it is helping.

Why doesn''t CBS say, "ONLY 35% THINK SURGE IS HELPING". Because CBS has been a big Corporate Cheerleader for the Bush Invasion.

And they have self-described "New Personality" Katie over in Iraq regurgitating the Bush party-line.
SICK.

The WAR was based on LIES. A clear OIL and POWER grab, that took our focus of the 911 perpetrators, has made us LESS SAFE, fueled terrorism and the insurgent freedom fighters (yes, I know you don''t like to call them freedom fighters, but they are IN FACT fighting to free their land of foreign superpower invader/occupiers).

$500 BILLION, 3,760 US dead troops, thousands more maimed for life, a few HUNDRED THOUSAND dead Iraqis.

Here''s an ugly fact..
BUSH has killed more innocent civilians than Osama. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Here''s an ugly fact...
Bush LIED about WMDs, deliberately. Saddam told the truth. How about that.

Here''s an ugly fact...
The more our nation turns fascist police state, the more OSAMA WINS!

Love America???? JAIL BUSH AND CHENEY!!!
(while America as we knew it can still be revived)

[nearl4511]

Very misleading headline.

More than those polled some time ago, but STILL considerably a minority.

MSM is again in the po-war boat.

[lastdance2]

Report - What the Junior NCO''s - Who are carrying
the brunt - of the fighting, are now saying

The Complete Opposite - of this Report

Lastdance

[pepperp1]

This is a waste of energy and time, Bush, nor his co conspirators Republican members of Congress, nor the rabid GOP base have any intention of changing course. Without 17 Senators changing their vote Democrats can not change course in Iraq and guess what the chicken hawks will not budge.



It will be the next President who will clean up this Bush GOP Iraq disaster; the President is incapable of ending this war competently. Yes much more blood, dead soldiers, dead Iraqis but banging your head into a wall will not help our soldiers live.

This is a democracy and the Republican obstructionist will stick together and STAY THEIR COURSE.


Our power is in removing them from office when we go to the polls spend your money, your energies on your party and your candidates. Get off the dysfunctional chaos merry go round being orchestrated by Bush and his GOP. Write your own script

Aging infrastructure and the impacts of severe weather on our cites.

Pensions and Soc Sec Trust Fund being raided who to stop the drain.

Alternative energy policy

Weaning off of foreign oil and capital.

Impacts of the Artic meld and oil under the caps and the US Security and position in the world.

And on and on.

[pepperp1]

This is a waste of energy and time, Bush, nor his co conspirators Republican members of Congress, nor the rabid GOP base have any intention of changing course. Without 17 Senators changing their vote Democrats can not change course in Iraq and guess what the chicken hawks will not budge.



It will be the next President who will clean up this Bush GOP Iraq disaster; the President is incapable of ending this war competently. Yes much more blood, dead soldiers, dead Iraqis but banging your head into a wall will not help our soldiers live.

This is a democracy and the Republican obstructionist will stick together and STAY THEIR COURSE.


Our power is in removing them from office when we go to the polls spend your money, your energies on your party and your candidates. Get off the dysfunctional chaos merry go round being orchestrated by Bush and his GOP. Write your own script

Aging infrastructure and the impacts of severe weather on our cites.

Pensions and Soc Sec Trust Fund being raided who to stop the drain.

Alternative energy policy

Weaning off of foreign oil and capital.

Impacts of the Artic meld and oil under the caps and the US Security and position in the world.

And on and on.