Comments on: Poll: Americans More Optimistic On Surge

29% Now Believe Troop Surge Is Helping In Iraq, But Most Still Say War Going Badly

[dem-dolts]

~ Posted by toldyouso21:
~ Shell is NOT Danish owned [...]

Sorry, knew that--same reasoning applies regardless.

~ As for the Iraqi oil agreement, it also provides for opening
~ up decades long leases to foreign investment and locks Iraqis
~ into a revenue pkg of foreign corporations choosing.

I have no problem with private investment in foreign countries--it produces prosperity. The Iraqi govt gets to choose who invests & on what terms. I suggest you look at Venuzuela's recent fiated buyout of majority positions in all oil companies currently there & then tell me how foreign corporations can run rampant over /any/ country.

~ It IS all about the oil.[...]

The fact that we were embargoing Iraqi oil before the war should tell you something of our motivations. It /wasn't/ about the oil. We were more than willing to do without it.

~ George Bush said it best in June when he stated that to leave
~ Iraq now would leave the 3rd largest oil reserves in the world
~ in potential terrorists' hands.

Sunk costs are sunk costs--you ignore them in politics as much as in financial management; it's "where do we go from here"--& that's where Bush's comments come into play.

~ [....] If it was not about the oil we
~ would not be in or care about the ME--we'd give it just as
~ much attention as we give Dafur and Sierra Leone right now.

Darfur & Sierra Leone never had WMDs, training camps & $$ support for terrorists w/ intel resources organized w/i the U.S.

[dem-dolts]

~ Posted by toldyouso21:
~ Shell is NOT Danish owned [...]

Sorry, knew that--same reasoning applies regardless.

~ As for the Iraqi oil agreement, it also provides for opening
~ up decades long leases to foreign investment and locks Iraqis
~ into a revenue pkg of foreign corporations choosing.

I have no problem with private investment in foreign countries--it produces prosperity. The Iraqi govt gets to choose who invests & on what terms. I suggest you look at Venuzuela's recent fiated buyout of majority positions in all oil companies currently there & then tell me how foreign corporations can run rampant over /any/ country.

~ It IS all about the oil.[...]

The fact that we were embargoing Iraqi oil before the war should tell you something of our motivations. It /wasn't/ about the oil. We were more than willing to do without it.

~ George Bush said it best in June when he stated that to leave
~ Iraq now would leave the 3rd largest oil reserves in the world
~ in potential terrorists' hands.

Sunk costs are sunk costs--you ignore them in politics as much as in financial management; it's "where do we go from here"--& that's where Bush's comments come into play.

~ [....] If it was not about the oil we
~ would not be in or care about the ME--we'd give it just as
~ much attention as we give Dafur and Sierra Leone right now.

Darfur & Sierra Leone never had WMDs, training camps & $$ support for terrorists w/ intel resources organized w/i the U.S.

[rhs648]

George Bush said it best in June when he stated that to leave Iraq now would leave the 3rd largest oil reserves in the world in potential terrorists' hands. This was in response to questions on why we must stay. If it was not about the oil we would not be in or care about the ME--we'd give it just as much attention as we give Dafur and Sierra Leone right now.

Posted by toldyouso21

Hi toldyouso21 - America needs oil. Our economy and welfare is dependant upon oil. Americans will not give-up cars or their jobs for lack of oil if we can get it elsewhere. When push comes to shove, most Americans will support a war when they feel their well-being is threatened. Let gas rise a couple of dollars and see how anxious American will be to get it from anywhere, even by war.

[toldyouso21]

.S. Shell in Danish-owned. So now they're in on the vast right-wing conspiracy plot too? Hurry! Call the New York Times, er, CBS news.

Posted by dem-dolts at 08:29 PM : Aug 14, 2007

Shell is NOT Danish owned and never has been. Like Aldis, Phillips Electronics--shell is DUTCH owned and always was.

As for the Iraqi oil agreement, it also provides for opening up decades long leases to foreign investment and locks Iraqis into a revenue pkg of foreign corporations choosing. It IS all about the oil. Just becauseoutput is low right now and profits not realized--does not mean it is not about the oil.

George Bush said it best in June when he stated that to leave Iraq now would leave the 3rd largest oil reserves in the world in potential terrorists' hands. This was in response to questions on why we must stay. If it was not about the oil we would not be in or care about the ME--we'd give it just as much attention as we give Dafur and Sierra Leone right now.

[dem-dolts]

~ Posted by j-whitman at 07:25 PM : Aug 14, 2007:
~ dem-dolts,,,, *******,

translation: "I'm can't respond intelligently so I'll start with an insult."

~ we wouldn't be in Iraq,
~ we would have totally defeted Al Queda in the
~ region within 3 years along with the Taliban ---

Just like the Russions did. Yeah, & pigs are now flying.

~ Now Al Queda has grown,

They grew long before Iraq. Bin Laden stated the reason he formed Al Qaeda in the first place was because Americans couldn't stomach casualties & that we would leave any theater they attacked us in given enough time, just as we did, he stated, in Vietnam, Beirut, Somalia & elsewhere.

~ Arabs are still the
~ suicide bombers,

...that Saddam Hussein no longer subsidizes with $10 to $20,000 to each "martyr" along with his long-standing terrorist training camps.

~ & shooters along with Iraq's
~ killing our troops.

Otherwise, it'd probly be the democrats.

~ ... Al Queda has gained more support & has
~ grown in North Africa, which we could haved
~ fought & defeted,, If we were not in Iraq.

So now you want to invade North Africa?

Cheers.

[dem-dolts]

~ Posted by j-whitman at 07:29 PM : Aug 14, 2007
~ dem-do,,, Seriously do you think Bush's Iraq
~ war is about terrorism ???? [...] ---- It's the oil,

Boy, Iraqi oil output has grown by leaps & bounds since the war began. Record low oil & gas prices are all the proof I need.

~ in which the White House still has directed the
~ future of Iraq's resources to Exxon Mobil,
~ Shell & Conoco Phillips for the next 30 years.

The Iraqi constitution that the U.S. helped push along makes nationalization of the oil industry permanent (hint: it's why we're trying to get the Iraqi parliament to pass an oil law to share the revenues among the Sunnis, Shia, & Kurds--oh, that's right, Exxon, Shell, & Conoco have all the parliamentarians held hostage in a secret location at the White House). You've spent too much time in the left-wing blogosphere.

Cheers.

P.S. Shell in Danish-owned. So now they're in on the vast right-wing conspiracy plot too? Hurry! Call the New York Times, er, CBS news.

[dem-dolts]

Posted by j-whitman at 07:25 PM : Aug 14, 2007:
dem-dolts,,,, *******,

translation: "I'm can't respond intelligently so I'll start with an insult."

we wouldn't be in Iraq,
we would have totally defeted Al Queda in the
region within 3 years along with the Taliban ---

Just like the Russions did. Yeah, & pigs are now flying.

Now Al Queda has grown,

They grew long before Iraq. Bin Laden stated the reason he formed Al Qaeda in the first place was because Americans couldn't stomach casualties & that we would leave any theater they attacked us in given enough time, just as we did, he stated, in Vietnam, Beirut, Somalia & elsewhere.

Arabs are still the
suicide bombers,

...that Saddam Hussein no longer subsidizes with $10 to $20,000 to each "maryr" along with his long-standing terrorist training camps.

& shooters along with Iraq's
killing our troops.

Otherwise, it'd probly be the democrats.

... Al Queda has gained more support & has
grown in North Africa, which we could haved
fought & defeted,, If we were not in Iraq.

So now you want to invade North Africa?

Cheers.

[donnie900]

I think I know why they separated church from state, Mr. Robertson.. I think I know why. Because they didn't want their religion to be represented by a lost election..

[donnie900]

And besides that, the faith ain't Israel. The faith is in my heart.. Its in my soul. Its not no *******.. cheap.. god damned neocon.

[donnie900]

This ain't the faith, j. The faith is real. This is a buncha ******* cheap carpetbagger politicians. Business men.. Who ain't got the sense God gave a god damned chicken. This ain't the faith, j.. This ain't even close to the faith. This is fancy talk, and skalywagg'n. This is cheap bullshyyt politicians.