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[guysdigdirt]

JackHeismann - Well put.

One other thing is to stop the lies and deceit the media and anti-gun groups and politicians spew to the public about guns.

If the politicians like HRC, California's Barbara Boxer and Feinstein, NY's shumer do succeed in their gun ban hopes their guards will still have guns. And the criminals will have guns. Do you feel comfortable with that, the politicians do.

[The_Heis_Man]

So we really believe that the gun control debate will simmer down? Well, perhaps it's time to raise the volume.

Gun control has killed more people than we can imagine, and certainly than we can count. While much has been said about "gun violence" so many of those victims are gun toting drug dealers, gangstas, gang members and felons. The real victims of gun control are the innocent. Of 32 dead at Virginia Tech, 2 were killed by an assailant, 30 by gun control. A frightened woman, stalked by her violent ex would never bring a gun to work, because she's lose her job. So the ex hunts her down instead. Not even the unarmed corporate security guard can stop him.

Much has been said about VT's failure to warn the school about the two early murders. Yet, short of running in panic, there was little that anyone on campus could do. They were made helpless by outdated, ill conceived laws that treat people -- in this case our professors and campus staff -- as potential rampaging murderous felons. They could have been our protectors.

It's time to eliminate gun control. It serves no purpose in a civilized society except to embolden the cowards. While the neurotics among us fantasize about every American town turning into Dodge City, this has never happened in recent history. Meanwhile, innocent victims of gun toting predators die every day. And while the gun control lobby will never admit their culpability, the rest of us can. And stop another Virginia Tech massacre from ever happening.

[huanaco]

I AM NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON ABORTION , I WILL SAY THAT FAMILY PLANNING IS AVAILABLE TOO. REGARDING ARMS CONTROL IS AN ISSUE THAT IS ON THE TABLE WITH THE RECENT TRAGEDY .BUT SOON THIS WILL BE FORGATTEN ( EXCEPT THE RELATIVES )AND STORES WILL KEEP SELLING GUNS, IN PERSON AO BY MAIL WHATEVER IS YOUR TASTE . THI IS AMERICA , WE HAVE TO LIVE AND DIE WITH OUR CULTURE.

[lurch198]

I think some of you need to visit a few nations that are not free.

To those that think someone should get a license to buy a gun, like one needs to drive, how many idiots do you see on the road? DUIs, ect. As an owner/user of a gun or car or lawnmower, there is a measure of RESPONSIBILTY that comes with it. But this nation has lost all sense of responsibility. Every gun owner I know has not lost it. Thats why you dont see them on the news having just shot themselves or kid. They know what a gun in irresponsible or inexperienced hands can do. Punish the criminal with the laws in place, not me.

[cbville72]

Abortions are for GOP, ask Bush's party girl daughters. They are not for poor who don't have private choices, and will keep them poor the rest of their life as well as endanger their existance.

Its like war: mainly for the poor and NEVER for the Bush, Cheney, or Rove families.
Posted by billysmith6 at 06:56 PM : Apr 19, 2007

I have no idea what you are talking about, but if you go to any inner city hospital you will see teenage african american girls getting abortions or having their second or third child ON WELFARE so don't play your anti republican bull$hit because that had nothing to do with it. That is not an opinion. ITS A FACT. Are Bush Cheney and Rove responsible for that too billy?

[might15]

As far as abortion, well I'm a man and it's not place to tell a woman or someone else's woman what to do with her body. I don't believe abortion is for me, but I'll never have to make that physical choice much less the mental choice.
As far as gun control, the constitution was written way back when (went into effect in 1789), when you needed a rifle for hunting and maybe to protect yourself from a hostile person that's mad that you took their land.
Also, NRA stands for National Rifle Association, not National Uzie Association or National AK47 Association or National I can own 200 automatic weapons and thousands of rounds of ammunition and store them in my basement along with all my rice and canned tuna waiting on the end of the world Association.

[hypnotoad72]

The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

That means abortions should be a no-no. If we claim to be responsible for our future generations, abortion should be frowned upon... it is, but many things aren't.

Liberty is pretty obvious; but it's not the same thing as anarchy. Not even a trickle-down anarchy.

And how does one define 'happiness', and more to the point, what does the document have to say about those who try to take happiness away from others?

[wgsalter]

These debates need not be endless. But the Supreme Court made a political resolution of the abortion debate virtually impossible, by taking it out of the political realm. Repeal of Roe would result in the ability of the American people to resolve this through their legislatures. For both sides, this would be an unsatisfactory result, as both are committed to all or nothing, but I would rather live in a country where we, as a people, get to determine the kind of society in which we live. I would apply the same logic to other social questions, such as gay marriage, where the outcomes in the political arena might frustrate both sides, but at least would have the ability to continually reflect both our changing, and our unchanging, societal mores.

[bill_in_nh]

This mixing of abortion and the right to keep and bear arms is foolish. There is no connection between the two. The US Constitution recognizes the right of individuals to keep and bear arms. Whether the court has ruled this way or that way about abortion has nothing to do with gun ownership or the 2nd amendment.

[guysdigdirt]

I never said it wasn't alive. I said it is not a person.
Posted by sy2502
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So if one person says another is not a person, they can kill them. Sounds like something I heard that killer in Virginia say on the news last night.

[emhunt99]

How do you know a fetus is not a person. Give some scientific evidence, if not then how do you know a person is not killed during the abortion process?

The whole argument of forcing your morals on me is a ludicrous one. There may be arguments for abortion but the fetus not a person one is not one of them is neither the forcing of one's morals.

[sy2502]

If it helps you sleep better you can think that. Once the baby can move on it's own it is alive, maybe sooner. If I thought you were not alive until you were 18, can I kill you because I believe that?
Posted by guysdigdirt at 05:48 PM : Apr 19, 2007

I never said it wasn't alive. I said it is not a person.

[guysdigdirt]

The second ammendment gives us the right to bear arms so that we will never be overpowered by our government....I want a nuclear weapon just to stay equal....shouldn't someone shoot Bush or Cheney or Rove just to justify the second amendment?
Posted by chimneyfish
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Not your silly stuff again. Are Bush or Cheney hurting you? tell me, in your words, what they have done to you. do not regurgitate the media BS, tell me yourself.

If you do not like guns do not buy one, it would be better for you not to have one anyway.

Can you afford a bomb of that nature?

[guysdigdirt]

Pregnancy can't always be avoided.
Posted by sy2502
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Other than rape or the like, yes it can. You might not want to take the measures, but it can.

Abortion is not a method of birth control and shouldn't be used as such. But when a woman is in fact pregnant it is not your place to tell her what to do.
Posted by sy2502
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I agree, but it is not her place to kill another for her convienence. If it is a medical issue, that is different. But that is not the issue here is it. Who is to say she can force her morals on another to the point of death?


Also by having an abortion you don't force your beliefs onto anybody because the fetus is not a person.
Posted by sy2502
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If it helps you sleep better you can think that. Once the baby can move on it's own it is alive, maybe sooner. If I thought you were not alive until you were 18, can I kill you because I believe that?

I, on the other hand am a person, and I don't want you to impose your morals onto me.
Posted by sy2502
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Double standars there, you can enforce your beliefs on someone who cannot talk back yet, but you will not allow someone else do do it to you, and it is not even taking your life to do it.

You are an interesting case study.

[guysdigdirt]

The NRA is a rich and powerful lobby that figuratively owns our politicians. The 59% of American citizenry that WANT gun control is ignored.
Posted by oleander8
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You are one of the lemmings that believe whatever the media tells you right...

The NRA has protected your rights. They have stood up for the 1st amendment as well as others. They do not own politicians. The NRA rates politicans as to their attitudes toward Constitutional rights. The reason they are powerful is because they have a lot of members. 2 out of every 3 homes in America owns a gun. do you think that most of them want more gun control? Don't be stupid!! Right there you know 66% of the US population do not want more gun control. In addition to that there are others that do not own a gun but do not want more gun laws.

Politicians like HRC & California's Feinstein & Boxer are anti gun, but their guards will have guns even if they could take them from us. Shumer is another person that wants to take all the guns away.

Would you feel safe knowing the criminals had guns, but you could not, and you had to wait for the PD to come save your azz when an intruder came into your home? Those who want to take everone else's guns do not feel safe that way, why would you?

[brittany456]

I think that the video should not be posted on t.v. and online. It is bad enough that the families have to deal with it already and now you want to show video clips. Everyone wants to see it but we are just giving the killer what he wanted to be famous for the horrible thing he did. All of the families should stand up because it is their buisness and it shouldn't be avalible to the world. If I was one of the parents or any family member I would probably be very aggervated and mad.

[gunownerdan]

"One man with a gun can control 100 without one. Make mass searches and hold executions for found arms."
- Lenin

"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party."
- Mao

"Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas."
-- Joseph Stalin

"... I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results."
- Benito Mussolini

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered races to have arms; history teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing."
-- Adolf Hitler

"All military type firearms are to be handed in immediately...The SS, SA and Stahlhelm give every responsible opportunity of campaigning with them. Therefore anyone who does not belong to one of the above-named organizations and who unjustifiably nevertheless keeps his weapon...must be regarded as an enemy of the national government."
- SA Oberfuhrer of Bad Tolz, March, 1933

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State."
- Heinrich Himmler, Hitler's SS leader

a-human-right.com

[sy2502]

I think you just proved you are wrong. If you are responsible you would not get pregnant in the first place. Then to fix your mistake you kill another person? So you can then force your beliefs upon another person by killing them through abortion. Kind of silly and backwards.
Posted by guysdigdirt at 05:18 PM : Apr 19, 2007

Pregnancy can't always be avoided. Abortion is not a method of birth control and shouldn't be used as such. But when a woman is in fact pregnant it is not your place to tell her what to do.
Also by having an abortion you don't force your beliefs onto anybody because the fetus is not a person. I, on the other hand am a person, and I don't want you to impose your morals onto me.

[guysdigdirt]

Can someonetell me why anyone, other than a soldier or perhaps some police, needs an automatic weapon?
Posted by tullymet
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fully automatic weapons are illegal unless a proper permit is issued for someone like a collector. Were you referring to a semi-automatic?

If so let's assume at 1 in the morning you see the shadows of two large male intruders going into your 8 year old daughter's room. If you have a single shot (non-semi-auto) you have one shot before you have to reload & get the other guy before he gets you and/or your daughter. I bet you gun haters wish you had that semi-auto now don't you.

[guysdigdirt]

This Cho, who killed all of those peoplein Va, followed all of the existing laws and got his guns. So now, we have to take away everyones guns?
Posted by long_rider
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No, he did not follow the laws, he lied on his application to buy the gun or he would not have been able to buy it. Those who want more gun control need to understand that more laws are not the answer, enforcing the ones we have is not working, why would more laws.

Almost every, if not every, incident like this happens in a gun-free zone. If a nutjob like this goes looking to kill, he does not want to run into someone else with a gun. Look at what happened in SLC, a man with a gun took out the bad guy before he did all the damage he wanted to do. Guns save lives every day, but you will not see it on the news as it does not fit the media's agenda.