Comments on: Torturing The Truth

CBS' Meyer: President Bush Has Lied And Continues To Do So

[aceseven-2009]

I ask you dear Citizens should we also "codify" that the detainees at Camp Xray can also be children as recently reported in the news? Not only does that sound slightly like the rule of anti-man but I do believe anti-child included. And if that is so then the rule practiced as such has "expressly established it as a princple." So just what else in "essence" does go on at Camp Xray? "Tricks"? Plead mercy, pray tell?
And now comes Abu Graib.

Refuse Himmlers offer for a Certificate of Maturity in History and stop those jet flights I would suggest, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Rumsfeld. Nay, to forsake the Constitution and be depraved of our humanity would be more painful in the end. Slavery to torture is all you will get. Go tell that to the Marines. And why Mr.Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld haven't you two already tendered your resignation?

At least Hitler was restrained from jettisoning the Geneva Conventions even with his back against the wall in February of 1945. I smell now the chief prosecutor Jackson's closing arguments at the Nuremberg trials.

I am Citizen Michael John Keenan

[ronniehm]

An ACCUSATION is NOT PROOF, otherwise I'd accuse bin Laden of committing suicide.

[ronniehm]

I did read it. They investigated 125 cases, and this is what they found:

"The DAlG Team found implementation, training, and
oversight of these policies was inconsistent; the Team concluded, however, based on a review of cases through 9 June 2004 that no confirmed instance of detainee abuse resulted from the approved policies."

NEXT.

[frostygolf1]

Ronnie, you select one quote from 18 pages. The article states that 125 instance of abuse were investigated. Please reread what they say. And i wonder what was in the redacted areas?

[ronniehm]

Thanks for the link, frosty. Here is what it says in your "proof":

"The DAlG Team found implementation, training, and
oversight of these policies was inconsistent; the Team concluded, however, based on a review of cases through 9 June 2004 that no confirmed instance of detainee abuse resulted from the approved policies. "

Next.

[rangerjim94]

I would have to say that if there were ever a case as to why President Bush and his entire administration should be put on trial for war crimes ,treason, official misconduct, among other things, the smearing of critics of the totally unnecessary war in Iraq is a big part of it. This man has lied so much and so often, that I have nothing but contempt for this administration, which, in my opinion, is such a cesspool of corruption, that it would make John Gotti and his boys look like choirboys by comparison. These people need to be impeached and removed from office then put on warcrimes trials.

[frostygolf1]

Ronnie HM asked for proof....is a released DoD document enough? Took me less than 1 minute to find it
http://www.aclu.org/projects/foiasearch/pdf/DOD045382.pdf
there is the link....

[ronniehm]

So, Michael, how's Claremont?

http://www.smartvoter.org/2005/03/08/ca/la/vote/keenan_m/

Still washing windows?

[ronniehm]

Wow, ace, I see you've been posting your little rant on website after website for months and months. You need therapy ... or at least something new to say. Get help with one of those.

[ronniehm]

Ace, are you talking in code?

[aceseven-2009]

I ask you dear citizens should we also "codify" that the detainees at Camp Xray can also be children as recently reported in the news? Not only does that sound slightly like the rule of antiman but I do believe antichild included. And if that is so then the rule practiced as such has %u201Cexpressly established it as a princple.%u201D So just what else in "essence" does go on at Camp Xray %u2013 "tricks"? Plead mercy, pray tell? Refuse Himmlers offer for a Certificate of Maturity in History I would suggest. Nay, to forsake the Constitution and be depraved of our humanity would be more painful in the end Mr Rumsfeld. Slavery to torture is all you will get. Go tell that to the Marines Mr. Rumsfeld after you have tendered your resignation.

I am Citizen Michael John Keenan

[aceseven-2009]

The Minds Limit Today

In Jean Amery's, The Minds Limit, his capture and descent into torture by German Nazi%u2019s, starts by pointing out that his torturers showed no %u201Cbanality of evil%u201D in their faces. First there is the "laugh" and then the "first blow". The prisoner then realizes that they are "helpless". Lost is the %u201Ctrust in the world.%u201D Certainly there is no %u201Cmutual aid in nature.%u201D No. It is time for the %u201Cbusiness room.%u201D But before describing his own torture the author makes %u201Cgood on a promise I gave.%u201D Not that they where not specialists in torture, but more so his conviction that %u201Ctorture was the essence of Nationalist Socialism %u2013 more accurately stated, why it was precisely in torture that the Third Reich materialized in all the density of its being.%u201D

[hermit22]

I'm not thinking about the obvious ones, I'm thinking about the surprises. Do you think there are surprises? We might THINK we know who they are speaking for, but guess what, we DON'T.Like on some blogs some say: Bush controls the media, others say Jews control the media, some say republicans do, or democrates....SO instead of them fooling us, why don't they all just be UP FRONT and SAY who they speak for?

[ronniehm]

I think the writing stands on its own. Do you suppose there's a chance Meyer is a Republican? Me either.

[hermit22]

opps! Sorry, Ronnie I spelled a couple words wrong.

[hermit22]

Hi RonnieHM, Whats you doin' up so late? I was at another site and this old computer just popped right back here. What a surprise to hear from you so soon. What do you think about politial reporters being up front with what polital party they are asociated with?

[ronniehm]

You can't make writers put their religion next to their names. That's absurd. I'll stick with my original reply.

[hermit22]

Hi Mr. RonnieHM,You are the first person in my life that I know about that has ever associated me with being a "moron" but then I have generally not been around people that use such words. If we are realy living in a free society people should not be embarrassed to say they are Jewish, Christian or Muslim.Evangelical Christians should not be blamed for writers that are realy not evangelical, if they are "gentile" but not Christian. Does that clarify what I was trying to say DEAR?

[ronniehm]

Oh, great idea, Hermit. Maybe we could just slap a Star of David on all the Jewish people. That went well last time. I'm printing your moron sticker right now, Herm.

[hermit22]

Doctors sign with a title: I.M.Bonesdoctor,MD.
May I suggest political news writers, journalists etc. ALL sign their bylines with Dem.
or Rep.so it would be obvious if CBS,NBC,PBS or Fox or whatever had an equal number of reporters....or if not equal, at least gave the reader or viewer a honest statement of the reporters perspective without that nonsence of "being impartial". Maybe in this day of "religious" warfare, it would be helpful to designate if the writer really is Jewish, Christian, or Muslim also. How would someone KNOW necessarily if a writer were "evangelical Christian"? Do not confuse Christian with "gentile". Just because someone is "gentile" does NOT mean they are Christian.
daddy4mak,I bet you are a good daddy!God bless you too.