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[dallison7]

How about the rest of you, what are you doing to break our dependency on foreign oil?
Posted by NavyChief8

I'm voting for a Democrat, any Democrat!

[sharncedar]

"How about the rest of you, what are you doing to break our dependency on foreign oil? "

I'm giving up my job to foreign offshore workers. That will mean I use less gas, as I WONT HAVE A JOB TO COMMUTE TO. Thanks, America. thansk for the vote of confidence, than you for being patriots, than you for acting with values. Thanks. What a stand-up country, we really stand up for each other. we are really patriotic in this country. Thanks. Thank yuo so much, thanks for caring about our nation and being patriots, I will appreciate it so much EATING GARBAGE OR DYING WITHOUT HEAT.

[getcentered]

My suggestions for ending US involvement in Iraq:

1. Split the country on secretarial lines, split the natural resources evenly.

or:

2. Restate the mission in Iraq to allow the US military to control Iraqi borders and airspace ONLY. Make it so the Iraqis can't say we are the cause for the civil war there, because we would no longer be on the streets killing people.
Then set a timetable for redeployment.

and:
COME TO AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IRAQI'S ARE NOT AMERICANS. They don't have a sense of allegiance to a country and borders. We should not hope to change the lives of everyday Iraq's except to bring peace to a country that we brought war.

Iraqi's are not children they can take care of themselves.
If we leave they will pick up the pieces and try to create NORMAL out of it.

[navychief8]

No, I do not like "the eternal option" as you stated. I was being somewhat sarcastic. I want us out of there as well, but in a way that will not bring chaos to the region, As to the responder who told me to be careful about using "NEOCON" philosophy, until we break our dependence on oil, we will always have to look to the Middle East with a stratigic vision. I want nothing more that for us to have nothing to do with the place. but for now, that is not an option. I ride my bike to and from work to use less gas. How about the rest of you, what are you doing to break our dependency on foreign oil?

[dallison7]

I never said anything about Iraq being a Democracy, I could care less what form of Gvernment they choose. I just want it to be a stable place so that when this is done in two years, four, six, or whatever, we don't have to go back and finish the job. Again and again. And last time I checked, Men and Women were serving in Iraq, not kids. At least give us that respect!
Posted by NavyChief8

It is your leaders who care about the type of government, what exactly do you think we are doing over there? We're trying to prop up a 'Democratic' government. "Two years, four, six, or whatever." So you like the 'eternal' occupation' idea? For your information, I have a 'kid' in the Navy right now.

[navychief8]

getcentered,

to answer you, I have had to bare arms for my country. Fortunately, I have never had to kill anyone. To assume that I blindly follow orders, Sir or ma'am, that is an insult. I am no Bully. Have you ever had to put yourself in a dangerous, possibly lethal situation? I have. It scares the *** out of me every time. And I think about it to this day. But I am proud to serve, and will go back again if and when I am called to do so. Not because I follow blindly, but because I want this to be finished in a manner that my son does not have to go back and finish what my generation started. We are taught to qestion and not follow blindly. And I do know what this war is about. I will say it again, yes, great mistakes have been made in the execution of this conflict, but just leaving is not the answer. What is your suggestion to fix the situation?

[getcentered]

Ah, now I see:

"Vietnam was not sitting on most of the oil in the world"

Be careful when addressing concepts that are "neo-con" in nature.

[dallison7]

Vietnam was not sitting on most of the oil in the world, so leaving that country was not desabalizing to a reqion. Leving Iraq in a state of chaos and vulnerable to Iranian influance, is destabalizing in a huge way.

Posted by NavyChief8

Regardless of how many more of our kids we let die for this obscene quest, when we eventually leave (whether it be today or ten years from now) the results will be the same. Those are tribal people, there is no national idenity! As soon as they feel safe to come outside, they will step out and kill someone from the other tribe. They care nothing about borders and governments. The chaos is in full swing, it has George Bush's name on it, but it is real. Things will never settle down until another strong arm leader like Saddamm gets them under control. So, what is your solution? Should we stay there for eternity, or just until our last brave soldier is killed?

[navychief8]

dallison7 ,

I never said anything about Iraq being a Democracy, I could care less what form of Gvernment they choose. I just want it to be a stable place so that when this is done in two years, four, six, or whatever, we don't have to go back and finish the job. Again and again. And last time I checked, Men and Women were serving in Iraq, not kids. At least give us that respect!

[getcentered]

Ok,

For all who don't understand what part the UN WAS ASKED TO PLAY in the run-up to the Iraq war.

THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS when authorizing Bush to start military operations in Iraq ASKED the UN's help and our CONGRESS ASKED that the UN create a resolution for the use of military force.

DO you get it now?

We asked the UN for a resolution, they didn't give it to us, so there for the President started his war in Iraq anyways, and regardless of the fact CONGRESS was not given what they asked for from the president.

OUR CONGRESS ASKED THE UN TO BE INVOLVED, the UN did not FORCE our hand.