lets get them all signed up so they can start paying taxes no sense in getting benefits without paying I have no problem if they pay their share, or else they can go over to california all them mayors that are complaining about arizonas law, they would love to have them come to their towns, they will take care of them no matter where they are from, cause they all work for IOUs in california
I slept much better the day this bill was signed into law. I really don't see what the fuss is about. This is an issue about breaking the law, the law protecting federal and state sovereignty, as well as all American citizens. The absolute nerve of anyone thinking that they are entitled to all of the benefits of American citizenship without having to pay taxes, sign-up for a military draft and claim loyalty to the United States! Seditious behavior is against the law for both legal and illegal residents and the attempted balkinization of many of our states is very frightening. I hope that the riots and violence don't intimidate Americans into not doing what is right, which, at this point, would be to have this same bill passed in all of the remaining states. To any American citizen who sympathizes with illegal aliens, I say that you should relinquish your own citizenship. Then, leave the United States and then try to get your citizenship back. That would at least show that your supportive stance is not being done out of patronization for the illegals and that you do not have your own agenda. If you are acting like a holier-than-thou civil rights zealot, then maybe you have to do some real holier-than-thou stuff to prove to the rest of us that your motive is not just to screw over other Americans. I would say that "white guilt" might be a factor here, and if that's the case, then see a shrink and don't put your corrosive bleeding heart crap onto the rest of us tax-paying American citizens.
The AZ Immigration Law does not make Illegal Immigrants any more or any less ILLEGAL.
If the Right Wing really wanted to impress the status of undocumented workers then, they would support legislation that punished the Employers for hiring (taking advantage) undocumented aliens.
Other then that, the GOP and the AZ Law are just Political Theatre in an election year in which they have nothing to run on.
The question I haven't seen answered is how you implement this in a way that's both effective and constitutional. I'm hard pressed to think of what's a reasonable justification for asking which wouldn't violate the 4th amendment. "Looking" like an illegal alien isn't going to cut it. Neither is doing something an illegal would do if legal residents also do it. In the end, this is just political theater on both sides and will have no meaning.
I am very glad that you know your Constution. Move from the 4th to the 10th and you will see the exact words that are in the Arizona law. They copied it from the 10th Admendment word for word so it would be legal. The wording is part of our Constution already, it just has not been enfored by the Federal Government. The problem that has everyone upset is that they think it is new wording and it is not. Spread the word of the fact that no one new is beening singled out.
Issues of constitutionally aside, if this law is not only "pristine" but also practical, then the people of that state must demand that no matter what the other consequences, it must be enforced with all the vigor of the law. Of course this means that if those opposed to this law really put their thinking caps on they could literally bring Arizona to its knees in terms of cost of law enforcement. Imagine a situation where the police are told that no matter WHAT they MUST stop and question everyone single person they THINK is here illegally? Can anyone else see a flaw here?
Ignorant worthless politicians. Yes, illegal immigration is out of control and yes, it has to be dealt with. But Arizona pols got the advise from right wing zealots just like GWB did on invading Iraq. And here they are, with a pie on their face.
The law as is, is no doubt and unarguably, racist. Meaning, it specifically targets Hispanics with Indian features (sorry, no PC word for 'Native Mexicans').
I can be an Italian, or Polish or Russian illegal immigrant and not be stopped by Arizona cops. See the stupidity of the law? What did they expect?
What about enforcing current laws? What about imposing heavy fines on employers hiring illegal aliens? How about asking for immigration documents when law breakers get arrested instead of going after people in the street solely because of the way they look?
We are supposedly the model of capitalism, but we do not understand the basis of the laws of supply and demand!!!!!!
Drugs = No users, no drug dealers
Illegal Immigration = No illegal employers = no jobs, no illegal workers
Also, lets stop invading half the planet. Maybe then, we will not get an influx of people from the nations we 'conquer'. If we want to be an empire, then lets accept the responsibility that comes with it!
I get what you are saying--but when people say there should be immigration reform then say that AZ's law is wrong--what kind of reform are we talking about?
How about this--when there is probable cause, regardless of the race of the person, the AZ police MUST check immigration status?
Is that better? Will this law be okay with you and people like you if the police begin to net somalian, Indian, Irish, Japanese, Romanian, Italian and other illegal immigrants?
Why not make EVERYONE stopped for a speeding ticket, shoplifting or loitering prove they are legal? Why not combine ICE with the FBI and Police and make it one big enforcement system with overlapping information capabilities?
I know that every time I go to Europe or the Caribbean, or Asia, or even Australia--I am advised to keep my passport and ID with me as I can be stopped at any time and questioned to my immigration status.
It really is the law in many countries--why not here? And since the law has not yet been put into effect, why are people clamoring or like you stating HOW it will be enforced when you have no proof?
They may indeed apply it to all people regardless of race/creed/ethnicity--then what?
the bad thing about protesting this law is that it is being protested before it has ever borne fruit--and if you are wrong, what takes its place? We already have evidence of the government's continual complicity when it comes to illegal immigration.
Accepting illegals or granting modified amnesty is just asking for the problems to continue and giving the green light for the next wave to begin their 10 year oddysey to citizenship--illegal style.
Lets pretend that for many decades workers were aloud to come into 'your' country on work visas and return after the season was over to their motherland with a substantial amount of money that they wouldn't have been able to make in their own country. (1940-1975)
But over the decades, your government starts ignoring the laws on the book concerning who gets to be inside their borders legally and instead panders to the corporate contributions being deposited into their bank accounts. And what if eventually the immigrant workers decide not to abide to the law of the land and not leave after their visa has expired once they realize no one is pursuing their infractions of the law in this foreign country they work in.
So your government, run by two influential parties that constantly fight each others agenda just to further their own perceptions of what a future America is going to be like that hopefully will benefit their party the most, does nothing to enforce its own laws on the federal books despite the constant clamor over the decades from the citizens of the country that elected them into office in the first place.
Lets pretend that on TWO previous occasions a President of this country (one from each party) gave amnesty to over ten million people each time with the promise to it's citizens that "IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN!" (1976-Carter..1986-Reagan)
But over the years the enforcement of these laws erode away despite your constant screaming voice to your elected representative in a futile attempt since 'THEY' have no need to patronize you anymore now that they are now in office. They are instead influenced by the mega billion dollar corporate empires that are throwing millions of dollars at EACH party to make sure their agenda is priority over the voters. No matter WHO gets elected into office, their corporate agenda will be perpetrated.
Now picture this, the only time your elected official wants to hear from you is when they are up for reelection the upcoming year, and suddenly this person has changed for the better and is now your best friend and "Understands Your Concerns" ...promising to vote the way you want them to once in office. After a few years of disappointment and no change from who you elected, a representative from the other party is elected into the office of your district and nothing changes once again! The people of this country start to realize over time that there's still a robber at their door! Even though they may have a different mask on, the results are the same!
Picture once again that this whole country is represented by every nationality and race of the world we live in. A country in which for hundreds of years there was a line of smiling faces waiting to become a member of this society willing to put in whatever it may take to become a viable asset and give a contribution to this growing country all in the legal way!
But when the situation arises of an illegal alien invasion on this sovereign nations border that is perpetrated by many different countries all using the same easy unsecured entrance into said country, the opposition singles out the fact that it's a racial issue. Even though this country is more diverse than any country in the world with all colors and races represented, a certain race is singled out as racist when they ask the elected officials to enforce the previous amnesty laws that were pushed onto the voting citizens of this country on many occasions before. The fact is ignored that every race in this country is represented in the outcry of opposition to this new amnesty, but in fact they single out the majority race as the obstacle to their infiltrating agenda!
WE NEED TO VOTE OUT EVERY CAREER POLITICIAN FROM OFFICE NOW! It's not 1840 anymore and Washington isn't a three week ride away! We can speak for ourselves and accomplish more if we get fresh people in congress that want to make real change to this country! Vote in someone completely new that listens to what we want and bring down the political parties!
Copy/Paste everywhere if you agree-Eddiespaghetti007
Paisan... As a Sicilian, chances are I would get stopped and questioned by Arizona cops. If you are a Northern Italian, you would not. That is why it is racist. It has nothing to do with illegal immigration. Mind you, my ex girlfriend was here from Ireland, very much illegally. Beautiful Irish Lassie, the only thing she would get from Arizona cops is lustful looks.
The first few paragraphs of your opinion, were wonderful. I agree there should never be another amnesty as that given by Ronald Reagan! And we should definitely enforce our current laws, find ways to solve the problem and come up with a solution. Targeting a segment of our population whom, by the way, were native to these lands way before we were, is just not right.
csarci: then target everyone --check everyone's citizenship and after a person's id has been checked, give them a new card with a special chip to fast track any further stops--that way, your 'beautiful irish lassie' would eventually get swept up with other illegals and get sent home.
Because though many claim they believe in reform--anything other than zero tolerance is begging for more of the same.
Arizona law enforcement is not united and very concerned regarding civil rights for all citizens, and the safety of their officers over this new bill. That says it all...
jimbom121--because those law agencies are headed by Democrats who have a standing agenda to appear to champion the illegals and hope it translates into an instant grateful majority once they move to grant them amnesty.
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If the Right Wing really wanted to impress the status of undocumented workers then, they would support legislation that punished the Employers for hiring (taking advantage) undocumented aliens.
Other then that, the GOP and the AZ Law are just Political Theatre in an election year in which they have nothing to run on.
The law as is, is no doubt and unarguably, racist. Meaning, it specifically targets Hispanics with Indian features (sorry, no PC word for 'Native Mexicans').
I can be an Italian, or Polish or Russian illegal immigrant and not be stopped by Arizona cops. See the stupidity of the law? What did they expect?
What about enforcing current laws? What about imposing heavy fines on employers hiring illegal aliens? How about asking for immigration documents when law breakers get arrested instead of going after people in the street solely because of the way they look?
We are supposedly the model of capitalism, but we do not understand the basis of the laws of supply and demand!!!!!!
Drugs = No users, no drug dealers
Illegal Immigration = No illegal employers = no jobs, no illegal workers
Also, lets stop invading half the planet. Maybe then, we will not get an influx of people from the nations we 'conquer'. If we want to be an empire, then lets accept the responsibility that comes with it!
How about this--when there is probable cause, regardless of the race of the person, the AZ police MUST check immigration status?
Is that better? Will this law be okay with you and people like you if the police begin to net somalian, Indian, Irish, Japanese, Romanian, Italian and other illegal immigrants?
Why not make EVERYONE stopped for a speeding ticket, shoplifting or loitering prove they are legal? Why not combine ICE with the FBI and Police and make it one big enforcement system with overlapping information capabilities?
I know that every time I go to Europe or the Caribbean, or Asia, or even Australia--I am advised to keep my passport and ID with me as I can be stopped at any time and questioned to my immigration status.
It really is the law in many countries--why not here? And since the law has not yet been put into effect, why are people clamoring or like you stating HOW it will be enforced when you have no proof?
They may indeed apply it to all people regardless of race/creed/ethnicity--then what?
the bad thing about protesting this law is that it is being protested before it has ever borne fruit--and if you are wrong, what takes its place? We already have evidence of the government's continual complicity when it comes to illegal immigration.
Accepting illegals or granting modified amnesty is just asking for the problems to continue and giving the green light for the next wave to begin their 10 year oddysey to citizenship--illegal style.
But over the decades, your government starts ignoring the laws on the book concerning who gets to be inside their borders legally and instead panders to the corporate contributions being deposited into their bank accounts. And what if eventually the immigrant workers decide not to abide to the law of the land and not leave after their visa has expired once they realize no one is pursuing their infractions of the law in this foreign country they work in.
So your government, run by two influential parties that constantly fight each others agenda just to further their own perceptions of what a future America is going to be like that hopefully will benefit their party the most, does nothing to enforce its own laws on the federal books despite the constant clamor over the decades from the citizens of the country that elected them into office in the first place.
Lets pretend that on TWO previous occasions a President of this country (one from each party) gave amnesty to over ten million people each time with the promise to it's citizens that "IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN!" (1976-Carter..1986-Reagan)
But over the years the enforcement of these laws erode away despite your constant screaming voice to your elected representative in a futile attempt since 'THEY' have no need to patronize you anymore now that they are now in office. They are instead influenced by the mega billion dollar corporate empires that are throwing millions of dollars at EACH party to make sure their agenda is priority over the voters. No matter WHO gets elected into office, their corporate agenda will be perpetrated.
Now picture this, the only time your elected official wants to hear from you is when they are up for reelection the upcoming year, and suddenly this person has changed for the better and is now your best friend and "Understands Your Concerns" ...promising to vote the way you want them to once in office. After a few years of disappointment and no change from who you elected, a representative from the other party is elected into the office of your district and nothing changes once again! The people of this country start to realize over time that there's still a robber at their door! Even though they may have a different mask on, the results are the same!
Picture once again that this whole country is represented by every nationality and race of the world we live in. A country in which for hundreds of years there was a line of smiling faces waiting to become a member of this society willing to put in whatever it may take to become a viable asset and give a contribution to this growing country all in the legal way!
But when the situation arises of an illegal alien invasion on this sovereign nations border that is perpetrated by many different countries all using the same easy unsecured entrance into said country, the opposition singles out the fact that it's a racial issue. Even though this country is more diverse than any country in the world with all colors and races represented, a certain race is singled out as racist when they ask the elected officials to enforce the previous amnesty laws that were pushed onto the voting citizens of this country on many occasions before. The fact is ignored that every race in this country is represented in the outcry of opposition to this new amnesty, but in fact they single out the majority race as the obstacle to their infiltrating agenda!
WE NEED TO VOTE OUT EVERY CAREER POLITICIAN FROM OFFICE NOW!
It's not 1840 anymore and Washington isn't a three week ride away! We can speak for ourselves and accomplish more if we get fresh people in congress that want to make real change to this country! Vote in someone completely new that listens to what we want and bring down the political parties!
Copy/Paste everywhere if you agree-Eddiespaghetti007
The first few paragraphs of your opinion, were wonderful. I agree there should never be another amnesty as that given by Ronald Reagan! And we should definitely enforce our current laws, find ways to solve the problem and come up with a solution. Targeting a segment of our population whom, by the way, were native to these lands way before we were, is just not right.
Because though many claim they believe in reform--anything other than zero tolerance is begging for more of the same.
Then why are the police depts in Phoenix, Tuscon & Flagstaff against the policy?