Comments on: Hatch: Too Rushed On Health Care

GOP Senator Says Democrats' Proposals Will "Kill a Lot of Jobs"

[RnoTy]

Hey Reveal5, do you happen to know a link that will show me the 20% figure? I like reading about health information and statistics and haven't seen that one yet.

AlsoIam4Honesty, I agree. Something needs to be done about ER visits. My wife and I spent 4 hours in the emergency room one night because she had a mild concussion. It was a long wait and outrageously expensive for a two minute visit from the doctor telling us, ?Keep an eye on her tonight.? I don't think adding 50 million insured individuals is the best way to speed up the process. Money would be better spent building more hospitals and Urgent Care clinics, training more doctors and nurses, and educating the public about healthy habits. I'm no economist, but I'd imagine that if we increase the demand by giving everyone coverage, but keep the supply the same by not first setting up facilities, then the only thing that will happen is that prices will increase, which is exactly what we dont want.

[Nikos_Retsos]

I am not going to do a point-by-point rehash of the Orrin Hatch and Charles Rangel tiff here. But I will come straight to the core of the problem - the cost. And I feel that those who grumble about the cost in congress should be ashamed of themselves - including Orrin Hatch.

The reasons:
A) We have spent trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the Republicans never had any problem with the cost. Is money used in unnecessary wars a virtue, and money spend for the the health of our needy citizens a curse?

B) The Pentagon wants to kill the F-22 Raptor because its $150 million a piece is obscene, and it is a waste equal to flushing the millions down the sewer. But Congress objects strongly. Why is Congress not growling about the F-22 Raptor cost? Because of the millions congressmen receive as political contributions from the
defense contractors, and defense jobs in their states. Is it better to waste money on gold plated weapons just to spread the billions to political supporters, and then growl that there is no money for basic health care across America. Brazil, Canada and Singapore, for example, do not have our GNP, but they all have full
free medical care for 100% of their citizens!

c) A few years back, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld dropped the Persuader, another $ 150 million a piece junky cannon, and Congress again was up in arms - especially the republicans. And that tells us that the republicans are always ready to spend out Gross National Product tax receipts on wars and gold plated weapons that enrich their political contributors -without any worry about excess spending or the national deficit- but when some money is to be spend on basic medical care, then they become tightwads.

Senator Harry Reid told the National Public Radio a few years back that "100.000 Halliburton contractors became 'instant millionaires' in Iraq." Did any republican complain then about spending and the war's deficit? Of course not. The "instant millionaires" were all republican, and Dick Cheney's buddies." Did Orrin Hatch complain about those wasted millions in an unnecessary war? Of course not. They were his political buddies as well.

It shall be a shame on all congressmen who try to sabotage a national health care plan, but spend freely trillions on wars and mayhem around the globe, while 40 million Americans live with Sub-Sahara Africa health care standards. It is the epitome of insanity that has accorded our militarism and warmongering the ire of the world, and, on the darker side, wasted trillions of dollars and lives for nothing! If we had spend all that money internally, we would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives in Iraq and Afghanistan, we would have had fewer enemies around the world, and we would have had a healthier society in both finance and human health as well. Therefore, the health care issue would certainly show each American now of what moral fabric their senator and their congressman are made of. Nikos Retsos, retired professor

[pphhiill]

One question: how old was he?

80ish, but does it matter? 50 or 80 the fact is that in Windsor you'd better cross your fingers that the surgeon(s) are not tied up when you really need them. And everybody knows it.

BTW, interesting read below

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/17/world/windsor-journal-doctors-eying-the-us-canada-is-sick-about-it.html

[insureu2]

Too rushed??? They have had over 20 years to think about this problem and come up with a solution!

[ubrew12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVJ3gr7qjnE&feature=channel
is the refutation to your post, although its kinda dry.

[jokr8790]

Hey Chuckem, you are 1 medical crisis away from bankruptcy. Nobody opposes "free choice." Its not a real choice. Canada, England, Sweden, France and many other countries have proven that you can have quality medical care and free health coverage for all at the same time.

[ubrew12]

Yeah. Our healthcare system leaves 50 million people uninsured, and is hemorrhaging the nations wealth every day its in place, but 'whats the rush'? Lets just leave sleeping dogs lie, shall we? (of course, they may be dead, but who cares?)

[ubrew12]

These horror stories 'never' happen in the states (LOL).
Canada's healthcare is rated superior to the United States, but I'm sure it has its disadvantages. You mother's neighbor's story doesn't sound plausible, sorry. One question: how old was he?

"Entire communities without a Doctor": rural communities have the same problem in the States.

[Chuckem]

$5/hour over a career yields 1.5 MILLION DOLLARS at retirement. My latest

employer offers a choice of medical insurance or $5 per hour in my paycheck and I

chose the cash. Who opposes free choice? My wife and I raised 4 kids with never a

penny from insurance. The real cause of overchargeing in medical costs is the 3rd

party payment scheme which attempts to suspend responsibility, free choice, and

the common law of supply and demand. Why is free choice opposed?

[ubrew12]

Yeah. Our healthcare system leaves 50 million people uninsured, and is hemorrhaging the nations wealth every day its in place, but 'whats the rush'? Lets just leave sleeping dogs lie, shall we? (of course, they may be dead, but who cares?)

[skyk-2009]

So because YOU have been extremely lucky or extremely stupid, the rest of us should do without? That's insane!

[rbstrcklnd]

Hey Obama, slow down. Or do you want to pass this like the other bills before anyone has a chance to read the bill. How has the stimulus worked. What about Tarp. Bush was responsible for half of tarp, he left the rest to you.

[skyk-2009]

If I were you I'd hold back judgment on the Stimulus my friend. It has not began to fully work, that is true, but when it does you may find yourself, yet again, trying to find someone to blame or an excuse. Why is it Neocon's are ALWAYS looking for someone to Blame or some Excuse? NEVER provided any success OR responsibility for anything.