Comments on: Schieffer: Kudos For Stating The Obvious

McCain's Statement That The U.S. Should Never Go It Alone Is, Sadly, Proved Right Too Often

[it_oldtimer]

There simply isn''t any reason whatsoever to even consider voting for McCain. In every single area he''s just an absolute zero.

[alanrobisch]

McCain is literally in.sane. It''''s a very serious mistake to think that another in.sane president is going to lead us to good times.



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Posted by GLadImNotOJ at 09:36 PM : Mar 30, 2008
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If you believe that he meant the thing about a thousand years or a 100 you are tone deaf. Read David Brook''s column in the NYT. He is a respected jounalist and finds Mr. McCain to be a pragmatist who doesn''t follow the leader but if you are a dem or have blinders on you will follow the leader and listen to the talking points and believe them

[alanrobisch]

You can attribute it to whatever, the contradiction essentially speaks for itself . . .


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Posted by SamTheTVCat at 09:09 PM : Mar 30, 2008
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Your logic escapes me. He backed what appears to be a sucessful strategy and for that you are saying he is contradicting hmself because he helped bring at least temporary stability to IRaq. You are clueless. Other than your poll you hAVE BROUGHT nothing other than a negative opinion about him to the table.

[samthetvcat]

Okay, I''ve given AlanRobisch2 enough rope to prove my point which was that the only rationale for McCain''s ''surge'' doctrine is that he''s right because he says so, and that that opinion doesn''t factor in anybody else''s. This stance completely contradicts his claims that he''s all about listening to others which Bob Shieffer was applauding him for supposedly embracing.

You can attribute it to whatever, the contradiction essentially speaks for itself . . .

[alanrobisch]

I do not have enough information of what is actually happening in Iraq to say what would happen. I have an opinion and you have and opinion. It seems to me that since the much maligned surge occurred Iraq has become much mor e secure and one of the early criticisms of bush was his unwillingness to send in enough soldiers to do an effective job. Now more soldiers are their we have become more effective. So its logical if it is working to bring the troops home asap right Wrong. Now when we should begin to reduce the number of troops there I don''t know and considering McCain''s background he would be the last person to want to keep more men in harm''s way than need be.

[samthetvcat]

--"As I said polls do not necessarily reflect the facts and should not be used to determine policy"--
Posted by alanrobisch2

So again, I ask for facts and logic . . . you haven''t referenced either so far.

[samthetvcat]

alanrobisch2, if you have a poll that shows otherwise, please include a citation.

As for the rest, I''m not sure why you feel the need to prove yourself to me. Either your position speaks for itself or it doesn''t. Because the worst bosses in the world all think they''re ''right'' - the fact that you''d use threats to try and prove your case rather than incorporating facts and logic tends to show what kind of supervisor you''ve been . . .

[alanrobisch]

You say you''''re about bringing security to Iraq even though Iraqis apparently don''''t want us there because our presence is making security worse. So again, I ask - what''''s your agenda? You''''re not making sense

I think you are making an assumption that because this poll indicates that a majority or is a plurality think our presence is making security worse it may not be true. George washington toward the end of the war had to execute soldiers who were mutineeing and if he hadnt the whole effort may have fallen apart so the soldiers were in fact wrong about our eventual success As I said polls do not necessarily reflect the facts and should not be used to determine policy

[alanrobisch]

the last poll I had seen barring what you are reporting indicated while most irquis would like us to leave most believed we were necessary to their security.

I don''t doubt that the feelings may have changed but I don''t think the fact of a poll should be the driving force of a policy.

I worked as a supervisor for almost 30 yrs and often had to do unpopular things that were the right thing. POlls should not our policies drive. If you honestly think that MCCain would keep more forces there than needed I think you have another think coming.

[samthetvcat]

"his bravery and integrity seem right up their I''ll take that over IQ any time"
Posted by alanrobisch2

Well we each get to choose how we want to use our vote for whatever reasons, but I''m interested to hear more about how you foresee McCain''s qualities impacting his decision-making and how it will influence our national interests. You say you''re about bringing security to Iraq even though Iraqis apparently don''t want us there because our presence is making security worse. So again, I ask - what''s your agenda? You''re not making sense . . .

[alanrobisch]

Oh come on, there must be at least a 40 to 50 point IQ difference between McCain and both Barack and Hillary. The GOP have the strangest tendency for picking the least bright person of the bunch for whatever reason. Romney is super smart like Barack and Hillary. Huckabee, Giuliani, and Ron Paul are average smart like most of us in this comment section. McCain is like Bush.

do you know anything about the man and high iq''s do not wisdom bring. See the brilliant bill c getting caught having an affair with an intern and destroying his affectiveness or Hillary the brilliant who was so effective that she failed to create a health care plan. You are assuming the intelligence of MCCain. Neither or I have the faintest clue as to how high his IQ is but his bravery and integrity seem right up their I''ll take that over IQ any tiime.

[samthetvcat]

alanrobisch2 - what''s your real angle? Because you just blotted out the fact that the majority of Iraqis believe troops leaving would improve the situation? That defies logic . . .

[alanrobisch]

Did you factor in the BBC/ABC poll of Iraqis which showed that 70% want us out of their country?


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Posted by SamTheTVCat at 07:42 PM : Mar 30, 2008
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I believe that most iraquis want us out of their country but have the same feeling I do. they would like to see us leave as would I but fear the consequences therefore in spite of their preference we leave want us to stay for their protection.

[samthetvcat]

EDIT: I just went to verify that statistic that somebody else had posted and the number of Iraqis who want troops to immediately withdraw is not 70%.

--"Q22 How long do you think US and other Coalition forces should remain in Iraq?
Leave now 38%
Remain until security is restored 35%"
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But look at the results of this question - "Overall, do you think the presence of US forces in Iraq is making security in our country better, worse, or having no effect on the security situation?"
Better 27%
Worse 61%
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"If the American forces left the country entirely, do you think the security situation in Iraq overall would become better, become worse, or remain the same?"
Better 46%
Worse 29%
About the same 23%

[samthetvcat]

--"Its my opinion that simply leaving Iraq would leave chaos in its wake."--
Posted by alanrobisch2

Did you factor in the BBC/ABC poll of Iraqis which showed that 70% want us out of their country?

[samthetvcat]

Xlib - omg could you possibly be any more over the top with the drama?

[samthetvcat]

--"What a bunch of holy horse dung. He''''s a bright man and he doesn''t need a script to know what he is saying."--
Posted by alanrobisch2

Oh come on, there must be at least a 40 to 50 point IQ difference between McCain and both Barack and Hillary. The GOP have the strangest tendency for picking the least bright person of the bunch for whatever reason. Romney is super smart like Barack and Hillary. Huckabee, Giuliani, and Ron Paul are average smart like most of us in this comment section. McCain is like Bush.

A lot is made about McCain''s age, and his unpopular positions on the war and the economy, but I think his real achilles heel is his Bush-level IQ that''s going result in continued gaffes like confusing Iran with Al-Qaeda, saying he doesn''t know much about the economy, etc. It makes him look too vulnerable to being manipulated into doing others'' bidding in the way he was with the Airbus lobbyists that led to France getting the contract for our military planes.

[xlib]

Well, sam, then by all means, let''s do what the German''s want. For sure. Please, please, find out what the French want, OK??
We already know the muslims want obama, so, hey, why even hold a vote.I bet you voted for kerry, didn''t you?

[xlib]

notopennshut-as far as mccain reading a speech written for him, I do believe that can be said for all politicans. I point to obama. He is hailed every time he gives a speech which usually says nothing but slogans and platitudes (except when he thorws his white granny under the bus and backs over her a few times). His speechs say absolutely nothing of substance.
As for mccain''s speech. If he was able to get across some points of merit, some real politcal stand then that''s more than obama has done. As for me, I''m not voting this time around and it saddens me.
Two socialists and one rhino does not make for a good field.

[alanrobisch]

I''''ve started to read European papers, and everybody''''s positively enchanted with all things Democrat - Barack, Hillary, change, withdrawal from Iraq, mending of foreign relations . . . this is apparently true even in countries like Germany and Britain who sent troops . . .


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Posted by SamTheTVCat at 07:22 PM : Mar 30, 2008
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I think you have forgotten that it was he who helped change our policy in Iraq and I don''t believe that european opinion that continues to reject any use of military action to accomplish important objectives is any different than it was before.

We are actually at a point where it appears there is a chance we will be able to stabilize Iraq. to leave this ac=tion undone because europeans disagree with our presence their is dangerous. Lets try to succede not just leave and hope that Iraq will settle down on its own. Its my opinion that simply leaving Iraq would leave chaos in its wake.