Comments on: Senator: U.S. Needs "A Path Out Of Iraq"

Democrat Jack Reed Says Iraqi Government Will Not Move Forward Without A Timetable For U.S. Withdrawal

[apprxam]

Bloodshed may be inevitable and that''s what''s happening now. We need to keep the Saudis, Israel, Turkey and the Iranians out of it.

[apprxam]

I dig, Edward, except for one thing, and I didn''t make this clear before. I DON''T THINK BUSH KNOWS WHAT''S GOING ON! This is Cheney''s baby and King George is along for the ride. Make no mistake, very few President run things. The last, Almost was Nixon and a little bit by Reagan, so Bush isn''t much different.

To pull out now is a problem, so we''re left with bad choices. So we let the natural attrition, due to restrictions of deployment, take its course and the next elections will be a referendum of either freedom and cooperation or the drawing of lots for war. That''s when we redeploy to the periphery.

[brianbwb-2009]

"But I think you know as well as I do, if we leave, it could be the biggest bloodbath since the Holocaust."
Posted by Edward1975

I know this sounds cold, but if bloodbath it must be, then so be it. This is the lesson we repeatedly fail to learn, how can Bush presume to lie, plunge a functioning society into anarchy, and then hope to escape without blame, and pretend our hands are clean?

If a government rises that is even more hostile than Saddam was, whose fault is it? By trying to dictate to them, we only increase that probability. How can our continuing to occupy that country do anything but delay the conclusion of the civil strife, at ever increasing cost?

I say the blood is on Bush''s head, and the heads of all who continue to support this idiocy, make them all personally responsible, and let history record them as those who tried to emulate Hitler, and also failed.

[apprxam]

The Ottoman Empire and it''s break up, the intervention of the French and British and the eventual withdrawal and finally the West''s overthrow of the Iraqi government and installation of Sadaam has retarded the unavoible and natural course nations most take; whether to purge internally (Civil War) or break up (part of ways).

Iraq is a figment of the Western World''s imagination and must be aloud the choose for itself, its path to history.

[edward1975-2009]

ApprxAm: You are right in your assessment of how our military has been utilized, this is the strategy by Bush that was flawed. Left to do their jobs, our military would have handled this as it has handled all that has come it''s way throughout our nation''s history. This nation is in dire need of a leader and unfortunately I do not see one on the horizon.

[ajmarine1]

Whatever happens to Iraq should be taken as the confirmation of the Vietnam lesson, what happens when our "leaders" lie us into a war, there is no real goal, and so no end, and no possible victory.

Posted by brianbwb at 01:26 AM : Mar 24, 2008


I was hoping that we had already learned this lessen and we had an exiled government already to step in and make Iraq a great country; I guess I was wrong.

[brianbwb-2009]

"I''m ready for some fresh eyes to look at this and decide what needs to be done." Posted by AJMarine1

Ok, try this;

Pull out. Immediately. The ensuing power struggle will happen regardless of how long we stay there, the factions will continue to shoot at us, and, with corrupt inside help, steal and stockpile our weapons, so when we finally do pull out, they will have their reckoning between themselves.

The anarchy that is Iraq now is directly Bush''s fault, but since the blood is already spilled, there is no putting it back. It only remains to hold Bush responsible for all the death, suffering, treason, and other inhumanities resulting from this illegal war, and make sure no president can ever again use our military for their own personal profit agenda.

Whatever happens to Iraq should be taken as the confirmation of the Vietnam lesson, what happens when our "leaders" lie us into a war, there is no real goal, and so no end, and no possible victory.

[apprxam]

The saddest thing is this: those cats in the Amry & USMC are doing police work and not what they''re trained to do, and remain the target of a corrupted and unbalanced Iraqi government and Iranian posturing and insurgency. If war was the game, this would''ve been over long ago. But placed in close proximity to a civil war and tribal hatred, man and women are dying and wounded for want of a cohesive strategy. Patreus and the guys on the ground are winging this thing on the fly with an adaptability that is astoundingly impressive and beyound the call, but enough is enough.

I live in a military town and these families are wretched. Not just death and injury, but the constant deployments are ruining marriages and the children of these servicemen and women are doing so poorly in school because of the trauma and uncertainty. So many lives wasted, and that''s the right phrase: WASTED.

[edward1975-2009]

j-whitman: Dems voted with Republicans to go. They were not dissenting. That is why I say they both failed the people. And even if so, what is their excuse now. They could pull the plug if so desired. But I think you know as well as I do, if we leave, it could be the biggest bloodbath since the Holocaust.

[ajmarine1]

AJMarine1,,,, The planning was a failure because of Chalibi & Curveball, both where known to be descredited by our CIA before they took their case to the White House ============ It was a failure before it got off the ground & another failur after the invasion.

Posted by j-whitman at 01:02 AM : Mar 24, 2008


Evening J, it''s morning here.

I agree, and I will also agree that this whole thing has not gone the way one would hope. I have supported Bush, but sometimes he looks so stupid with the things he says and the way he looks, and he can''t even tell you what he wants for Christmas in a way that you will understand, it''s no wonder he has changed his reasons for going into Iraq so many times.

I''m ready for some fresh eyes to look at this and decide what needs to be done.

[apprxam]

Well, Edward.....I guess you''ve won the "cute phrase contest", but your boy Cheney and company ain''t in the clear because you want to insult and cry.

Know when equal blame is due, there must be equal authority. I argee with you on the spread, it''s the amount that I don''t agree with.

[j-whitman]

AJMarine1,,,, The planning was a failure because of Chalibi & Curveball, both where known to be descredited by our CIA before they took their case to the White House ============ It was a failure before it got off the ground & another failur after the invasion.

[j-whitman]

AJMarine1,,,, In case you didn''t notice, dems hands where pretty much tied at the time. And Congress was not allowed to make the decion as required by our Constitution,, republicans controlled Congress & refused discussion & denied intel to people with the need to know.

[apprxam]

AJ,

Nobody gave a *** about Sadaam when he was killing his people before, or when he was the buffer between Iran and regional hegemony. These pat assertions are tiring and gives no credence to the fact that Americans don''t care about Iraq or Iraqis.

[edward1975-2009]

ApprxAm: Again you falter. You can spout all the jargin you want, but it is as simple as this. We went with full support of the entire government, and you can scrap that childish, they didn''t all have the same intel bull. For your simple mind blaming Bush let''s you sleep at night, so be it. But this is not the case. And if you believe that any party is going to get us out anytime soon, then you really should read a paper every now and then. As I said, the blame lies with all. So again, firmly grasp your head on both sides and with a quick jerk, pull. Much better I hope.

[ajmarine1]

Sure the Dems deserve grief, but they were not the prime movers of this mess.

Posted by ApprxAm at 12:47 AM : Mar 24, 2008


"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America''s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq''s weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source


Democrats had a hand in this also.

[apprxam]

And neither side will change the status quo.

Posted by Edward1975


What does that even mean? Status Quo isn''t changed by those from within'', but by catastrophic revolution.

[apprxam]

COnditional, conditions, conditinal, Edward. Stop it, man. You blame on one hand and stroke with the other. You feel better blaming the Dumbocrats, then bless your heart. But the Republicans, nearly every *** one of them has betrayed this nation and this you know. But you''re defensive and deflective. You''ve addressed only your internal embarrassment at being a "publican" supporter. And if you''re a Democrat, then you anger about pulling out as soon as possible is unrealistic and childish. We''re not just at war, but trying to fix a bigger problem. Too clean up after the right wingers'' faux pas, blame must be deal correctly. Sure the Dems deserve grief, but they were not the prime movers of this mess. You and the Republican traitors are.

[edward1975-2009]

Though any sane person would not agree with the strategy that Bush has employed, it was the Democrats who swore to all Americans, that if they ever had control of Congress, we would be out of Iraq. And what have they done, other than posture everytime a funding of the war bill came up, they fund the war. So stop the BS that your shoveling, firmly pull your head out of your arse, and see what both sides are shoveling. And neither side will change the staus quo.

[apprxam]

Ron Paul is worried about his incumbency to the House.