Comments on: Rice: Bush Will Not Give In On Iraq Bill

Secretary Of State Says U.S. Officials Already Have Their Plan For Iraq

[jimibear]

Bush sent our troops into war based (at best) on faulty intelligence. It has repeatedly been reported that in fact he knew the intelligence was faulty (yellowcake, 9/11 connection,WMDs) but he sent them in anyway. Republican lawmakers have since put through bills which he signed and which cut military funds so that proper body armor and armored vehicles could not be provided. He has also signed off on Republican-introduced legislation cutting Veteran's benefits.

So who doesn't support the troops?

If you love your country, then make the effort and do some research to find out what's going on. Simply waving the flag and acting like a cowboy doesn't make a president a patriot. In fact, in Bush the Deserter's case, it's yet another of the multitude of things that make him an a$$hole.

Finally, as other posters have pointed out, lying does not strengthen your case. Al Qaeda has all along said that their strategy is to involve us in an unwinnable, expensive and divisive war. We are playing right into their hands.

Osama fought in Afghanistan against the Russians, after being trained by the CIA to do so. (Something else you probably didn't know.) Through that expertise, Al Qaeda has learned that you can destroy a superpower by forcing it to fight guerilla war. This is their plan for the US.

And your treacherous monkey-boy is helping.

[mudrose-2009]

Same spin, same nonsense. Circular thoughts, no resolution. My side is better than yours and your side stinks. Always the same ole same ole. Enjoy your discourse. You are right and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. Must be great to be on the side of the righteous. As for me, I am terribly bored.

[jimibear]

Oh, and mudrose? Why is it that when the only timetable being proposed in this bill is a non-binding one that is in accordance with what the Bush administration itself has advocated for when we should leave, Bush has to "play tough" and say that he will veto it? Since it's nothing he himself hasn't already put on the table, the only logical conclusion is that he is just doing this to try to make the Dems look like the bad guys.


So - who's playing politics with the troops?

[rsoxfan1123]

"this Do-Nothing Congress...There are viable solutions here and we all better sit down and work it out instead of making stupid political statements and undermining this administratio..."
Posted by mudrose at 03:04 PM : Apr 30, 2007

More lies by obsfucation. the Iraqi bench marks and withdrawl deadline are the ones recommnded by the Iraqi study group which was BIPARTISAN. Bush publicly announced he wouold not negotiate with Congress. He'll cut funding first.

[mudrose-2009]

I respect real conservatives of principle, even when I don't agree with them. The real conservatives came out against this war a long time ago. So don't kid yourself into believing that you're defending conservatism. Bush is destroying conservatism and America!

Bush hasn't done any good for anyone on anything.
Posted by realpatriot1

I'm not defending conservation, republicanism, or any ism for that matter. While Bush may be a conservative, he is not a Republican or at least a Regan Republican. Yes, he messed up and instead of putting heads together and trying to get out of the mire, this Do-Nothing Congress is mud-slinging all over the place as if they had no play in this. Hypocrites all of them. There are viable solutions here and we all better sit down and work it out instead of making stupid political statements and undermining this administration to islamofacsists. Or haven't you heard that 2,000 people were killed in Thailand because they weren't Muslims. Come up for air once in a while and shed your bile. We are in very serious trouble and thinking Bush caused it is bad bile. These people, in case you don't believe it as half of you people on this blog don't, want no negotiation. They want your head. If you are not muslim you're dead. Sort of like if you are not with us you are against us. Somebody caught on and the rest of you aren't picking it up. Little minds, bug clowns.

[realpatriot1]

mudrose,

I also get annoyed when people say"If I had known then" because it was as obviouse then as it is now that this was a war of choice that had nothing to do with the terrorists and that Bush went to war to avoid the U.N. discovering no WMD and spoiling his grab for oil. It was also obvious to every military leader free to speak at the time that we had no plan for occupation and that they weren't going to be throwing flowers like Cheney lied.

I respect real conservatives of principle, even when I don't agree with them. The real conservatives came out against this war a long time ago. So don't kid yourself into believing that you're defending conservatism. Bush is destroying conservatism and America!

Bush hasn't done any good for anyone on anything.

[jimibear]

I am from out of space? Ok, fine, whatever. Let me put forward a theory for you:

Maybe people in the Middle East think we should leave Iraq because they don't like seeing thousands of Arabs who had nothing to do with terrorism being killed. Perhaps the creation of a power vacuum and worsening of a civil war in their part of the world makes them nervous.

No one (perhaps not even Bush) is wrong all the time. We should not be in Iraq. It is making the problem we claim to want to solve worse. More terrorism, not less, will result. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

I want to fight terrorism, not turn rug merchants into terrorists. That is why I want to see our troops fighting, not creating, terror.

[rsoxfan1123]

When Al-Qaeda, Ahmy, and Al-Sadr think it's a good idea for the U.S. to abandon Iraq
Posted by mudrose at 02:50 PM : Apr 30, 2007

More lies. That is exactly what I am talking about with you. The US intercepted intelligence from Al Qaeda stating that their strategy is to draw us into Iraq and bankrupt us and I know you know that. Their strategy is working beautifully.

[mudrose-2009]

I love America, and therefore I hate Bush.
Posted by jimibear

Jimibear, so you think. When Al-Qaeda, Ahmy, and Al-Sadr think it's a good idea for the U.S. to abandon Iraq, you have to wonder how much credence we should give to the cut and run Demos. And my little gringo, I am being quite facetious. Many on this post don't have a clue what's in the constitution so therefore I can assume that they are not from this country. You are simply from out of space.

[jimibear]

"These little gringos get on line and trash my President and my Country and say they are the patriots."

Firstly, your use of the word "gringo" makes me wonder if this even is, in fact, your country. But setting that aside, your idea of patriotism is closer to fascism. You seem unable to separate hatred of Bush from hatred of America.

Let me put it simply: to be a genuine patriot, one must oppose Bush. A genuine patriot faces his country's enemies wherever they may be, and at this point, the people doing the worst damage and posing the greatest threat to the US are in Washington, D.C.

I love America, and therefore I hate Bush.

[jimibear]

So you see, when it comes to leaving, it doesn't even matter what the rights and wrings of going in were, who knew what when, etc. That can be saved for Bush and Cheney's treason trial. We should leave Iraq because our presence there is making the very problem we are supposed to be combatting far, far worse.

It is insane and stupid if you view it as even slightly related to the war on terror. If you view it as what it actually is - an attempt to control a huge source of oil and make lots of money for Bush and his buddies - it is much more sensible and intelligent but unfortunately is also deeply evil, treasonous and mass murder on a colossal scale.

So, Mudrose and people like you, you should realize this: if you support Bush's war, you are either supporting a lunatic moron or a murderous traitor. In neither event are you "supporting the troops" or doing anything other than aiding and abetting the terrorists for whom Bush is running such a spectacularly effective recruiting drive.

If yo uwant to "support the troops" then get them out of the far-worse-than-useless bloodbath in Iraq and put them to work where they should be - in Afghanistan and other countries where there actually were terrorists BEFORE we went there and created them.

[rsoxfan1123]

mudrose-I have no problem with an opposing point of view. It can be interesting and I enjoy talking with my colleagues that have republican views on things. What I don't like is when someone clearly knows they are lying and constantly seeks to twist and turn things dishonestly to cover it up. That is no longer productive or interesting, and the casual reader on this site that is unable to see through it can be hoodwinked. Which, of course, is what you are paid to do.

[mudrose-2009]

Posted by Space_Poet


I rest my case. Some simply cannot handle an opposing point of view. If I'm harsh, I have reason to be. These little gringos get on line and trash my President and my Country and say they are the patriots. Nice of all of us to wash our dirty laundry in full view of the enemy. Oh, they are so watching and hoping we just get out of there so that they can claim victory. Let's cheer them on.

[rsoxfan1123]

mudrose-When you read my posts what you are getting is the truth with your paid lying RNC troll smoke screen pulled aside. Must be annoying as hell.

[jimibear]

"Better known as cut and run." - Mudrose.

Oh, shut up. That's the only response your parroting of mindless NeoNazi ... I mean, NeoConmen ... slogans is worth.

You so clearly have no knowledge of the root causes of the Middle Eastern problems that it is useless to talk to you. I would put it to you simply, though: when the US as a nation has spent best part of a century assraping the Middle East, and western culture as a whole has been inflicting that invountary sodomy on them for centuries before that, it's no wonder they hate us.

And Bush, prize liar and powermad goon that he is, tells us that invading a country which never attacked us and slaughtering its people by the hundreds of thousands somehow gives us the moral high ground and improves the situation. If you paid any attention to anything other than sniffing Karl Rove's farts, you would know that Massad, the Israeli intelligence agency, told us last year that the Iraq invasion has generated 10,000+ new recruits for Al Qaeda alone, and that world wide 5 times as many terrorists are now working against the US.

This is no surprise. Where before we were dealing with a lunatic fringe, we have now made enemies of millions of Arabs who previously would never have given us a second thought.

[mudrose-2009]

You are, therefore, lying by obfuscation.
Posted by rsoxfan1123

Nah. You just like to think so.

Posted by Space_Poet

I shall not your ciriticism. Toning it down is a little hard when you hear what these little *** slingers toss. Ooops. But it is what it is.

[rsoxfan1123]

Space_Poet-mudrose is a paid RNC troll that spouts party lines. He lies constantly and covers his tracks by using slogans and scripts and constantly shifting arguments in which he changes his point of view when needed. Those aren't his opinions you are respecting, he probably doesn't even believe the nonsense he spouts. Not many thinking people do anymore. That's why you are noticing the resemblance between him and Bush's redneck voting core that doesn't watch the news or read the papers.

[space_poet]

Wow, it was a real pleasure reading this thread without didntinhale or seven-peso's spamming the heck out of it. Some interesting veiws, ideas, arguments, and quotes. Mud, you are being way too hard on people and need to tone it down, cause no one is going to take what you say seriously, even if you have a good point, when you sound like a redneck screaming at a minority. I respect your opinion, but not your insults.

And for my opinion on the topic at hand, we're screwed.

[rsoxfan1123]

So when people say to me that if they only knew then what they know now, I tend to get very annoyed.
Posted by mudrose at 02:08 PM : Apr 30, 2007

That's called lying by misdirection. RandalDS is right about you, it is easy to spot your paid RNC troll tactics. You know that earlier I said that Blix and the UN were certain there were no WMD and you now hope no one notices that you have shifted your argument to imply we know something now we did not then, implying the old %u201Chindsight is 20/20 so it's not our fault%u201D. But, you KNOW the UN told us there were no WMD. Bush attacked anyway. You are, therefore, lying by obfuscation.

[j4401]

We are in Iraq so some certain people make more money. That is the only reason we are at war. Truth hurts especially when you ignore it.