Comments on: Can Stop-Loss Be Stopped?

Military Returns Troops To War After They've Completed Tours, Even After They've Left Active Duty

[missingamerica]

Methinks the Army needs to reach out and tap on the shoulders of the people who are prior service - especially peacetime prior service - who call active duty soldiers serving in Iraq "whiners" and tap them on the shoulders, hustle them over to Iraq, and let ''em ride shotgun on the Tin Duck Express over in Falloujah or Mosul.

[bjcone8559]

Stop-Loss is NOT "fine print.%u201D I can%u2019t imagine anyone signing up without understanding the details.

Posted by wba350


That statement proves to any vet that you have never
serven in the military.

I challange you to find even ONE enlisted person or vet who was not bamfoozeled by his/her recruiter in one way or another. I love my country and I fought for her, but I''m here to tell you that military recruiters are highly trained ''snake-oil'' salesmen and they will say ANYTHING to fill their quotas.

[simplemind2]

"Posted by Ace_Face1 at 06:33 PM : Dec 07, 2008"

Ace_Face1,
lol!
My better-half and I have successfully raised all our kids to University Graduates.
Each and everyone one of them have a job.
We are looking after our Grand-kid(s) for now.
You don''t have to worry about us!
Ha Ha Ha!
God bless America except GWB.

[simplemind2]

My better-half and I went to the lake and fed the sea gulls. After that, we went on having lunch and did a shopping-spree - total expense a little bit over $500 - all for the purpose of boosting the economy. Sure feels good. Until I got on the Web and read this article - it suddenly dampened my spirit. My heart goes out to all the soldiers that were sent to Iraq - especially those deceased and maimed. On the same token, I felt more determined that I''ll do whatever I can to make sure my off-springs get adequate Education instead of being trapped in a situation like this. The Iraq''s invasion is solely GWB''s war! I''m extremely elated that McCain/Palin got beaten badly - no more GWB''s Third term. At least the end of the disaster in Iraq will be within reach. God bless America except GWB.

[lanntair-2009]

Part 2 of 2. Osiod9%u2019s point is that soldiers should read the fine print or shut up. Well, of course they should read the fine print, but this argument misses the point. First, these are often legally unsophisticated young people who are trying to understand fine print indeed. As an attorney, I%u2019ve seen civil judges often hold such fine print unenforceable; it''s happened many times with insurance contracts (signed by mature adults). There must be a meeting of the minds for a contract to be binding, so the fact that an important provision is vaguely described in "fine print" IS relevant.

But second, Ms. Berlinrut is not protesting the legality; she''s protesting the policy. And she is absolutely entitled to do that, and she should, and hopefully the public will start to react to this issue with more insight that just dumbly regurgitating %u201Cyou signed on the line, now do the time.%u201D Not because the Army didn''t cover itself in the fine print, but because the stop loss policy is being abused by HRC to take advantage of thousands of volunteer soldiers who have already served two, three or even more tours

So please don%u2019t sit in your armchair, plainly lacking any military or legal experience, and try to tell the mother of a stop-loss victim to shut up. This is a bad policy, caused by woefully inadequate planning by Rumsfeld and HRC (and I''m a Republican). This story is great work by CBS, and people should bring more pressure on the Army to revise its policy.

[lanntair-2009]

Part 1 of 2. I am a former Army officer, so I appreciate the challenge of the Army''s current mission and needs. As much as I respect our army, however, HRC is notorious for making misrepresentations to new recruits, enlisted soldiers, and career officers alike when it comes to personnel. Just one example: not long ago, CBS News published a story on Army recruiters who had been recorded making false statements to high school recruits. After simply making an appointment with one recruiter, these young men were told that they should report for Basic training, and if they didn''t like the Army, then they could just tell their chaplain during Basic, and they''d be sent home. Why would an Army sergeant make such a blatantly untrue representation? Because they''re paid a bonus for each new recruit who simply reports for basic training. The Marines do things differently. Their recruiters are paid a bonus for each recruit who finishes basic training, so that this type of misconduct is not encouraged. So what do you think happened to the recruiter when his gross misconduct was discovered? The Army promoted him, then put him in charge of a whole region of recruiters out west. After the incident became public, the Army was asked whether it would reconsider its recruiter incentives. HRC%u2019s obtuse response: "we have no plans to change our recruiting policy." This is just one example, Osiod9. If you think HRC plays by the rules when it comes to personnel, then my friend, you have no idea.

[misha128-2009]

Only Bush can lose Bush''s war of choice -- took longer than WWII with and incompetent plan that was impossible to achieve. Bush lost the war when he started the war. The soldiers have valiantly delivered the possible -- but Bush''s plan never possible and was always an administrative failure and not a military one.

[donbl1]

This concern over stop loss is a red herring for the antiwar group.

In the all volunteer force, recruits understand the possibility of stoploss and what it would mean.

Since Iraq is now basically won, it is up to Obama to lose it...... he won''t touch it.

[misha128-2009]

UPDATE: Our efforts to compel Senator Barack Obama to produce a valid birth certificate in order to prove that he is constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States ARE TAKING OFF!


Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States, states, "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Posted by GI_Joe_ at 04:27 PM : Dec 07, 2008

The head of the appropriate office in Hawaii has already publicly confirmed the existence and authenticity of the document -- case closed.

[fredflinsto2]

If you want to know, I have served 21 years for our country and I am no sellout, now youre child has a choice if he or she wants to join do not give them that impression of our soldiers losing their lives over in a foriegn country.


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Posted by carp714 at 05:04 PM : Dec 07, 2008


But they are losing their lives in a foreign country, so not telling them that, would be lying by ommission