Comments on: Can Stop-Loss Be Stopped?

Military Returns Troops To War After They've Completed Tours, Even After They've Left Active Duty

[riptide213]

Modern day American Press Gang. Stop Loss was created by the United States Congress.

Result is a modern day law finding ways to force volunteers into involuntary periods of military service.

Call Stop Loss what it is; a legalized backdoor draft.

1. Stop Loss.

2. In Lieu of Taskings or ILO.

3. Every Armed Forces volunteer committed by contract to 8 year service obligation in Individual Ready Reserve or IRR.

All are government conniving camouflaged iniquitous tactics which instigate subtle sidesteps for elected US politicians to uncourageously dodge any hint or potential of a front door draft. How armchair safe.

Not really for force continuity, team integrity, or any other high and mighty sounding justification or excuse.

Fine print military retention clauses are a ploy.

A so cleverly veiled self serving hidden agenda empowering our elected officials to equivocate on thorny, unapproachable without glare of negative publicity political millstone; implementation of an unadulterated front door draft.

Conveniently all these understated clauses have crept into the notorious fine print to snare ONLY those valiant Americans who were willing to step forward on their own and serve in our supposed All Volunteer Force; a bona fide oxymoron.

Indenture. A contract committing an apprentice or servant to serve a master for a specific period of time

Shanghai. To trick or force somebody to do something or go somewhere.

[ajaxtheleast]

Silly us,,,limiting the comparison level of

his moral character to American presidents,,,

when with Iraqi death statistics that we''re

even too fearful of counting not only

places him in the running but as a matter

of effective reality places George Bush

as the top death-dealing individual ever

to walk American soil.

And we''re not done yet,,,
the Bush brother that GAVE us George is
mulling a Senate run.

[inventagod2]

Among the voices of reason, the NeoCon Kool-Aid flows...

Had this embarrassing Oil Invasion actually been a war, patriots would line up for duty. The RepubliCons financially maneuvered a generation into service for their petroleum duty, and forced them into staying the course%u2026

We are seeing those corporate traitors for what they are, Bu$hCo and PNAC lied the USA into disaster, using a well-planned Pentagoon attack on 9/11 as a rally cry.

History will not be kind to these dishonest thugs%u2026

[kaylag04]

When you sign on the dotted line (not sure if it''s actually "dotted" anymore), you enlist for 8 years; some "active-duty" (2,3,4 or 6 years, usually), the remainder as "inactive" but subject to recall at ANY TIME. It is no secret. It is in your contract. The obligation is explained many times, with more than one opportunity to say, "No thanks". Stop loss and recall from inactive reserve is not the draft, it is the fulfillment of an explained and signed contract.

[liberaldude]

The next time you do a story about "stop loss," aka, "draft those who have already served," please don''t interview some slick lady from the Heritage Foundation. This is the bunch of idiots who brought us the Iraq war, they should be the last to comment on the need for stop loss.

We don''t want any freekin draftees in the service, its bad enough to have to go to war, but to have to go with a bunch of self-centered, soft, anti-war, better-than-you, creeps putting your life after their self-absorbed lives is just WRONG.

I served with draftees in Viet Nam and I can tell you that they never cared for their country, their service, or you. It was all about what they could get for doing nothing in return. Take the easy jobs, take the safe jobs, stay there until their time is up. Never being a stand up person, never a good soldier, never an American Hero, just so much college scum...

Stop Loss is what we all sign up for, and sometimes you die in war, that''s what it is all about.

[daffy64]

Geezus, no wonder we got a commie Arabic/Muslim for a president

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So who''s that?

[donevis-2009]

It''s way past time to put a stop to this wasteful war and start to bring these people home. We all know we were lied to, and mislead, so as to provide profits and a looting of our treasury by the hawks. Hopefully our new administration will be able to change the direction of this flow of money to where it helps, not hurts. Our Vets health-care and any needed help to be re-acclimated into society should be off the top of the Pentagon%u2019s budget. . It''s a terrible thing to witness Vet%u2019s being ignored and labeled a sacrifice of war insinuating they%u2019re beyond help. %u201CGod Speed USA%u201D

[daffy64]

We used to have the "Draft"... We need it back in a bad way. Lets get some of the Liberal Cry Babies in the service and let them get a taste of what serving their Country is like.. Let them be in the service for the duration of the war.

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Absolutely! And let''s get draft dodgers like *** Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld to serve as well. Oh wait, no, they just send others to die. They don''t do it themselves.

[hbevis]

We used to have the "Draft"... We need it back in a bad way. Lets get some of the Liberal Cry Babies in the service and let them get a taste of what serving their Country is like.. Let them be in the service for the duration of the war.

[missingamerica]

Methinks the Army needs to reach out and tap on the shoulders of the people who are prior service - especially peacetime prior service - who call active duty soldiers serving in Iraq "whiners" and tap them on the shoulders, hustle them over to Iraq, and let ''em ride shotgun on the Tin Duck Express over in Falloujah or Mosul.

[bjcone8559]

Stop-Loss is NOT "fine print.%u201D I can%u2019t imagine anyone signing up without understanding the details.

Posted by wba350


That statement proves to any vet that you have never
serven in the military.

I challange you to find even ONE enlisted person or vet who was not bamfoozeled by his/her recruiter in one way or another. I love my country and I fought for her, but I''m here to tell you that military recruiters are highly trained ''snake-oil'' salesmen and they will say ANYTHING to fill their quotas.

[simplemind2]

"Posted by Ace_Face1 at 06:33 PM : Dec 07, 2008"

Ace_Face1,
lol!
My better-half and I have successfully raised all our kids to University Graduates.
Each and everyone one of them have a job.
We are looking after our Grand-kid(s) for now.
You don''t have to worry about us!
Ha Ha Ha!
God bless America except GWB.

[simplemind2]

My better-half and I went to the lake and fed the sea gulls. After that, we went on having lunch and did a shopping-spree - total expense a little bit over $500 - all for the purpose of boosting the economy. Sure feels good. Until I got on the Web and read this article - it suddenly dampened my spirit. My heart goes out to all the soldiers that were sent to Iraq - especially those deceased and maimed. On the same token, I felt more determined that I''ll do whatever I can to make sure my off-springs get adequate Education instead of being trapped in a situation like this. The Iraq''s invasion is solely GWB''s war! I''m extremely elated that McCain/Palin got beaten badly - no more GWB''s Third term. At least the end of the disaster in Iraq will be within reach. God bless America except GWB.

[lanntair-2009]

Part 2 of 2. Osiod9%u2019s point is that soldiers should read the fine print or shut up. Well, of course they should read the fine print, but this argument misses the point. First, these are often legally unsophisticated young people who are trying to understand fine print indeed. As an attorney, I%u2019ve seen civil judges often hold such fine print unenforceable; it''s happened many times with insurance contracts (signed by mature adults). There must be a meeting of the minds for a contract to be binding, so the fact that an important provision is vaguely described in "fine print" IS relevant.

But second, Ms. Berlinrut is not protesting the legality; she''s protesting the policy. And she is absolutely entitled to do that, and she should, and hopefully the public will start to react to this issue with more insight that just dumbly regurgitating %u201Cyou signed on the line, now do the time.%u201D Not because the Army didn''t cover itself in the fine print, but because the stop loss policy is being abused by HRC to take advantage of thousands of volunteer soldiers who have already served two, three or even more tours

So please don%u2019t sit in your armchair, plainly lacking any military or legal experience, and try to tell the mother of a stop-loss victim to shut up. This is a bad policy, caused by woefully inadequate planning by Rumsfeld and HRC (and I''m a Republican). This story is great work by CBS, and people should bring more pressure on the Army to revise its policy.

[lanntair-2009]

Part 1 of 2. I am a former Army officer, so I appreciate the challenge of the Army''s current mission and needs. As much as I respect our army, however, HRC is notorious for making misrepresentations to new recruits, enlisted soldiers, and career officers alike when it comes to personnel. Just one example: not long ago, CBS News published a story on Army recruiters who had been recorded making false statements to high school recruits. After simply making an appointment with one recruiter, these young men were told that they should report for Basic training, and if they didn''t like the Army, then they could just tell their chaplain during Basic, and they''d be sent home. Why would an Army sergeant make such a blatantly untrue representation? Because they''re paid a bonus for each new recruit who simply reports for basic training. The Marines do things differently. Their recruiters are paid a bonus for each recruit who finishes basic training, so that this type of misconduct is not encouraged. So what do you think happened to the recruiter when his gross misconduct was discovered? The Army promoted him, then put him in charge of a whole region of recruiters out west. After the incident became public, the Army was asked whether it would reconsider its recruiter incentives. HRC%u2019s obtuse response: "we have no plans to change our recruiting policy." This is just one example, Osiod9. If you think HRC plays by the rules when it comes to personnel, then my friend, you have no idea.

[misha128-2009]

Only Bush can lose Bush''s war of choice -- took longer than WWII with and incompetent plan that was impossible to achieve. Bush lost the war when he started the war. The soldiers have valiantly delivered the possible -- but Bush''s plan never possible and was always an administrative failure and not a military one.

[donbl1]

This concern over stop loss is a red herring for the antiwar group.

In the all volunteer force, recruits understand the possibility of stoploss and what it would mean.

Since Iraq is now basically won, it is up to Obama to lose it...... he won''t touch it.

[misha128-2009]

UPDATE: Our efforts to compel Senator Barack Obama to produce a valid birth certificate in order to prove that he is constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States ARE TAKING OFF!


Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States, states, "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Posted by GI_Joe_ at 04:27 PM : Dec 07, 2008

The head of the appropriate office in Hawaii has already publicly confirmed the existence and authenticity of the document -- case closed.

[fredflinsto2]

If you want to know, I have served 21 years for our country and I am no sellout, now youre child has a choice if he or she wants to join do not give them that impression of our soldiers losing their lives over in a foriegn country.


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Posted by carp714 at 05:04 PM : Dec 07, 2008


But they are losing their lives in a foreign country, so not telling them that, would be lying by ommission