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Is The FLDS Raid About Stopping Child Abuse, Or Is Freedom Of Religion Being Abused?

[cpaide]

So, polygamy and pedophilia are going to pull the "freedom of religion" card?

They are an abomination, not a religion.

They can try to hide behind the skirts of some sort of so-called "religion" but they are a bunch of dirty old lustful men, who have brainwashed and intimidated generations of kids and wives into thinking their sickness is the will of God.
Posted by luvcomments

yes, my friends and that is why we must arrest this filthy pope and dirty priests and nuns of this catholic church which is a corporation pedophile business and not a religion.

[fincenmib]

From Warren Jeffs the Racist Doctrine in his own words!

Warren Jeffs Negro Race Part 1

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nSgZzTkYiz4

Part 2 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eVzQZm75Nco

part 3 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nXo8qNxUlCU

part 4 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=L6TNp63ZCZ0

part 5 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BSKHLbxkkec

part 6 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x7YI3Q6U4Bw

part 7 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8GUEpNbPxx4

THIS IS WHAT TAX DOLLARS PAID FOR, NOT TO MENTION THAT THEME PARK IN TEXAS!

[fincenmib]

FROM WARRENS OWN MOUTH!!

Warren Jeffs Confession part 1 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9fePt8-VndY
Part 2 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoknKRBqhw
Part 3 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u4t1EpxEsvg
Warren Jeffs Explaining POLYGAMY http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fbudqrmFSDs
Warren Jeffs #2 Cont. on Polygamy http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RkXA2JxGrJw
Warren Jeffs #3 Continued on Polygamy http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JWzXCdehMI4

[chiadvocate]

The many millions of dollars held by the ''United Trust'' of the FLDS came from welfare fraud... (taxpayers - you and me). Because there is only one legal wife, all of the others are considered ''unwed mothers'' are are entitled to government subsidies. The more children the women have, the more they receive from the government. Colorado City, Arizona (one of the twin polygamist cities of Colorado City/Hildale, Utah) bilked the Arizona government out of 30 million dollars in ONE year. The women collect the money and hand it over to the men who hand it over to the ''prophet''. There are many million dollar homes in these communities yet there are children going without an education. It has been said that after the Arizona government started looking into the welfare scam, Jeffs decided to move closer to his Mexican compound and found the land in Texas. They don''t make enough in their ''cheese factory'' to build that temple we''ve all seen on television. If the child who made the call to the domestic abuse hotline is missing, a good bet is that she has been rushed down to Mexico or up to the compound in Canada. These people are clever and very savvy about covering their tracks. Children have been abused for generations. Isolation is a perfect situation for a group of pedophiles or a group of evil, greedy, power-hungry men. They have been growing their own victims for many, many years.

[fincenmib]

Homosexuality has the same issues, when it involves children. This is cut and dry, they will be prosecuted over juvenile abuse, not what occured between adults. Those who see it ANY other way are supporting pedophiles as defined by the law.

When you pick and chose which laws should apply to you, your neighbor could then explain away why shooting you was justified. Drugs, incest, violence, assault, racketeering, extortion or any thing goes, when you selectively pick and chose the laws you think apply to you.

Teaching extreme beliefs is a protected right, practising is not! The church of satan and yes there is one, would love to practise blood sacrafice, but its illegal. Cohabitation with a minor or marrying one is illegal, its not because of the religious label called polygamy.

Now with this group there attorney threatened me in 2001, was that a protected act of Free Speech. The more you know of What really goes on with the FLDS, the more the split puts you in one of 2 camps! Either the one protecting children or the one that says any thing goes, if its done in the name of religion!

Kaziah May Hancock was 9 years old when she was wed to Reid Stratton and Beth & Colleen Kunz 10 & 11 when married to Elmer Johnson. So do tell us what pedophile religion you belong to?

[luvcomments]

So, polygamy and pedophilia are going to pull the "freedom of religion" card?

They are an abomination, not a religion.

They can try to hide behind the skirts of some sort of so-called "religion" but they are a bunch of dirty old lustful men, who have brainwashed and intimidated generations of kids and wives into thinking their sickness is the will of God.

[fibonacci_]

Why post that 3 times?

[crying4us]

You take at face value what the government has said. You still believe that the govt tells the truth? Remember Iraq?! Watergate? McCarthyism!


The only witnesses work for Children''s Services. Where is the testimony of the victims? Where is the evidence? The accusers admittedly passed a law to "get" the people of this group. Still they cannot produce hard evidence of a crime. Fascists on a fishing expedition?



What we have here is extreme prejudice, people pre-judged before any evidence. Do you really believe that ALL the children are abused? Or like most places some parents are good and some not?

The boys are not marrying to older men, can they return home? Are they marrying newborns, 6 month olds? How about 18 month olds? First 3 years are most critical, maybe they can go home. The accusers claim girls are married at puberty. Can the prepubescent ones return? How about putting monitors in the community (policemen/women) until this is sorted out? Is this not less disruptive and harmful to the children than the current path? It''s certainly cheaper.

Can you imagine how the children feel? Armed scary men came with guns and took them away from their home, their mommy. How must they feel now? How has this bent the branch of their growth? What will be the long term mental effects on them? Have we pushed them further into seclusion? Have we promoted the fear of the government and the people outside of their community?

WWJD - I don''t see my Jesus acting like this.

[fibonacci_]

I am just really not sure that people should be allowed to bring up their children in bizzare off-shoot cults like this. Bring them up with a religion, OK - I say with great hesitation. But this? Come on. I say send the children to loving homosexual couples who want to adopt children. That would be by far a better chance at living a life where the mind and ideas of these children are respected.

[culturechang]

Either way, govt has tough questions to answer. 1. If the allegations are false, then they jumped the gun. 2. If the allegations are true, why did they let this go on for 4 years when they were aware of it?

[crying4us]

You take at face value what the government has said. You still believe that the govt tells the truth? Remember Iraq?! Watergate? McCarthyism!


The only witnesses work for Children''s Services. Where is the testimony of the victims? Where is the evidence? The accusers admittedly passed a law to "get" the people of this group. Still they cannot produce hard evidence of a crime. Fascists on a fishing expedition?



What we have here is extreme prejudice, people pre-judged before any evidence. Do you really believe that ALL the children are abused? Or like most places some parents are good and some not?

The boys are not marrying to older men, can they return home? Are they marrying newborns, 6 month olds? How about 18 month olds? First 3 years are most critical, maybe they can go home. The accusers claim girls are married at puberty. Can the prepubescent ones return? How about putting monitors in the community (policemen/women) until this is sorted out? Is this not less disruptive and harmful to the children than the current path? It''s certainly cheaper.

Can you imagine how the children feel? Armed scary men came with guns and took them away from their home, their mommy. How must they feel now? How has this bent the branch of their growth? What will be the long term mental effects on them? Have we pushed them further into seclusion? Have we promoted the fear of the government and the people outside of their community?

WWJD - I don''t see my Jesus acting like this.

[rushlimpdrug]

First, I do not agree with the teachings of these folks.

That being said are these simple folk worse than the well educated priests that abused underaged boys?

Are these simple folk worse than the well educated bishops of organized religion that after discovering the criminal ssexual abuse by the clerics made a "moral" decision to quietly move the abuser to another facility?

Are the catholic parents of the ssexually abused
children criminally responsible for continuing to follow
the catholic faith?

These are questions that would beg answers.

Finally, if the women were on with Larry King and
he kept asking about the husbands/fathers names, I would think he was fishing for more than just a name.

The women saw through it and were a bit smarter than
what Larry thought they were.

[enochcbs]

I am surprised by the world''s hypocrisy: poligamy is, ah so wrong, but homosexuality, promiscuity, etc. is alright. Says who? The laws against poligamy had sense when the nation based it''s views on the Bible and Christian laws, but now, why is it wrong for mom no. 8 to wait while dad is sleeping with his new young wife, while it is perfectly alright for mom to wait while dad is sleeping with his secretary, neighbor''s wife, a friend, etc.? Either all such things are forbidden or not. But this hypocrisy... man!

[enochcbs]

I am surprised by the world''s hypocrisy: poligamy is, ah so wrong, but homosexuality, promiscuity, etc. is alright. Says who? The laws against poligamy had sense when the nation based it''s views on the Bible and Christian laws, but now, why is it wrong for mom no. 8 to wait while dad is sleeping with his new young wife, while it is perfectly alright for mom to wait while dad is sleeping with his secretary, neighbor''s wife, a friend, etc.? Either all such things are forbidden or not. But this hypocrisy... man!

[motherbear99]

These women have not demonstrated that they have the strength of character to protect their own children against the abuses of their community.

How did Utah and Arizona let this go on so long? Because they bungled a raid 50 years ago? They should have read ''The Little Engine That Could''. You just keep trying, guys. There is no excuse for allowing this abuse - unless the states are so completely controlled by LDS who would like to keep this stuff hidden under the rug. Two generations have been lost while Utah and Arizona moaned over Short Creek.

[cyberdjs4]

I constantly find that the biggest "sinners" and trouble-makers on this planet are PEOPLE OF FAITH.

The Constitution dictates law in the USA, NOT THE BYBULL; NOT THE KORAN; or any other holy scripture.

If your "faith" allows for the breaking of Constitutional laws, the law MUST punish that religious practice.
This is NOT about religious persecution. This is about humans using religion to break the law.

I hope these mentally disturbed Polygamists see this action as a punishment from their doG so they will abandon their false beliefs and get a clue before they breed any more broken children.

[darnedsocks]

#1 POLYGAMY IS ILLEGAL! There are a LOT of good reasons for it being illegal! If one man has 10 wives; then he is depriving 9 men of having a wife. This will leave a huge population of men out in the "cold" ...and just like in Islamic cultures, they become ''MILITANT'' ....troublemakers, because there''s a bunch of men running around who have no woman and no family of their own, no direction, and nothing to do, except to cause trouble.
#2 STATUTORY RAPE IS ILLEGAL. Women under 18 are still children! There are a LOT of good reasons why the age of "consent" is set at 18 in most states!
#3 OLD PERVERTS USE "RELIGION" AS A "CLOAK" TO BREAK THE LAW!

[brianbwb-2009]

"Is The FLDS Raid About Stopping Child Abuse, Or Is Freedom Of Religion Being Abused?"

A false premise.

"Freedom of religion" by definition must also include "freedom from religion", there are statutory rape laws in the US, and no one should be forced, while not yet at age of consent, to follow a doctrine that advocates statutory rape, simply because those participating in it call their predilection to pedophilia part of their "religion".

When the Rastafari advocated their religious right to enjoy ganja, the denial was swift, and without the hint of debate. What is so different about this group that such a contention is even considered?

Oh yeah, that difference.

[fibonacci_]

Maybe one of the best things to do is just to draw a lot of attention to their wacky beliefs and basically to insult them. If we cannot do anything legally than I hope we can inflict enough emotional harm to cause some upstir there. This is not right what they are doing to these kids. Momma dresses like Norman Bates and daddy is sleeping with his new 17 year old wife tonight. Momma is number 8 in the rotation.

[rwm2_2000]

Well I guess I believe different from most of the comments so far because I BELIEVE that protecting our CONSTITUTION is more important than frying a few. Our Constitution says we have a right to freedom of religion-AND THESE FOLKS CERTAINLY BELIEVE IN GOD AND THEIR RELIGION IMO. The fact that the gov''t can take UR children is a lot more important and if we don''t start defending our Constitution, we just as wells do away with it. We either use it or throw it away. Apparently we are ready to do away with it since we are no longer allowed so many of it''s points. The Gov''t has ALREADY started recording the DNA from criminals-and I can hear U now saying there''s nothing wrong with that-but when they have the DNA recorded from the prisoners and from the children in Eldorado they''ll probably find another way to get UR DNA recorded til all our DNA is recorded. China already sells body parts and w/o the prisoners having their Constitutional rights and no one willing to stand up for our Constitutional rights I can see our Gov''t getting into the market of selling body parts! I ask U to PLEASE STAND UP FOR YOUR AND MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS CALL OR EMAIL UR CONGRESSMEN NOW...I HAVE!