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Once Known For Its Oil And Gas, West Texas Is At The Center Of The Wind Energy Boom
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- all,
I read once that the investment/kwh is more than a steam powered plant because each windmill has a a failry small output (500 homes).
That is the windmill, power lines, land leases and etc. - Reply to this comment
- Tools, it is the capital investment and the land leases. Maintenance, of course, but not that big.
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- hmmmm silence is deafening
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- Radio, I do not have a current business case, but before the oil run up wind costs were about 15% more than gas. Remember, the wind power requires NEW capital investment compared to the existing power sources which were put in place 20 years ago for the most part or even longer ago in the case of nuclear power.
The cost disparity may go away as the new 12 power plants Texas requires go on line.
Texas is a little unique as it is not connected to the National grid and is not regulated by the US government. - Reply to this comment
- I am waiting......
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- someody please treat me as ignorant and ''splainify this to me????
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- Lets see now. wind that we don''t have to drill for or dig up or grow costs more to use than Gas, Oil, Nuclear or coal fuels? gimme a break!!!!!!
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- Even if wind or water were higher cost to produce in the beginning what is the long term cost compared to our continued usage of limited resouces that are not renewable?
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- On the cost effectiveness of wind.......
In Texas, you have your choice of electricity providers and you can choose green and pay "more".
Also, with fossil fuel costs going up I suspect we are close to a positive business case for wind.
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Posted by donbl1
I have been trying to get a answer out of nameverify on this for over a hour. The cost of wind vs coal,natural gas vs wind, water vs wind etc. do you know of any figures for this Don? - Reply to this comment
- Thank you cfin5. I have always tried to look at the entire picture before commenting.
Posted by radiob at 07:26 PM : Dec 02, 2007--------------------I know you do. I''ve been here long enough to take note of the ones who think things through on a matter. Sometimes it seems as if new posters have a "break in " period that they go through. I know I learned a few things. :) - Reply to this comment
- On the cost effectiveness of wind.......
In Texas, you have your choice of electricity providers and you can choose green and pay "more".
Also, with fossil fuel costs going up I suspect we are close to a positive business case for wind. - Reply to this comment
- ,.....radiob''''s just a good American with a question. Never heard him post anything left winged or right winged, so cool it down a bit.
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Posted by cfin5
Thank you cfin5. I have always tried to look at the entire picture before commenting. - Reply to this comment
- radiob you dumb f*ck liberal get on Google and look it up yourself.
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Posted by nameverify
How very intelligent of a response from you with all of the name calling which is again your opinion and not based in fact or reality. What and where was a liberal comment posted on this board by anyone on this subject? Put up or shut up time!!!! - Reply to this comment
- nameverify,.....radiob''s just a good American with a question. Never heard him post anything left winged or right winged, so cool it down a bit.
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- There are NO wind turbine projects that generate positive cash flow without tax payer subsidies at this time. That doesnt mean there wont be a technological break through that can change things. In that case, the inventor will probably get a Nobel Prize for their perpetual motion machine. If it were true, everybody would doing it and cashing in. There''''s billions in venture capital funding that would be all over it in a heartbeat.
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Posted by nameverify
You have danced around the question now for quite a while and provided nothing more than your opinion to support it instead of data. - Reply to this comment
- What can be done to reduce the negative effects of hydroelectric plants?
Sites for new water dams should be chosen carefully with due respect for socio- economic and environmental concerns. In Canada, major projects are subject to an environmental impact assessment.
People who have to relocate because of the project or have other economic losses caused by the project should be treated fairly.
Water Management Plans should balance the use of water resources.
Fish passage / diversion / by-pass structures, such as fish ladders, louvres, downstream fishways, have been used to facilitate the migration of fish around barriers. Structures or other deterrent measures can be used to prevent fish from entering turbines, spillways and canals. Trucks and barges have also been used to move fish around barriers.
Discharge facilities can be designed for mitigation if there is a concern about the release water.
Opportunities for recreational and other uses in similar areas have been improved to compensate for losses due to projects.
Hydroelectric power is a clean, renewable form of energy that accounts for about 2/3 of the power produced in Canada. Canada produces a surplus of power that is exported and helps to keep the cost of electricity low. The use of hydropower reduces air emissions by reducing the amount of coal and oil that is burned to produce power. - Reply to this comment
- Hydro is considered tapped out at this point. There arent any more rivers worth damming anymore. Thats all been done. Environmentalist hate it too because it results in flooding (destroying) a river habitat
Really because there is a fairly new water plant about 30 miles from me and no one protested it but they did stop the nuclear powered plant. Again where are your figures, your data to support your claims? - Reply to this comment
- Natural gas cost vs wind, coal vs wind, nuclear vs wind, water vs any of the above and factor in the cost of the plants?
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- "Diversity" is wiser than the alternative.
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- Posted by nameverify
You have never answered my question about the cost of this. Do you have figures that are verifiable from a reliable source? - Reply to this comment
