Comments on: Supreme Court: No Limits On Navy Sonar Use

Enviro Groups Had Said Sonar Affects Whales; Arguments Begin In Religious Monuments Case

[mckkkain]

Maybe the World Court and the U.N. can persuade the U.S.Government otherwise.

[ddaryl1]

Sonar definitely affects marine life, and the navy can do its tests out of the whales migratory paths to reduce the affect.

as for religous monuments. If you allow christian monuments then you need to accept every single religions monuments including atheist views. You can not force one religion on the people, that is not freedom of religion.

For those upset about that... too bad, we are either free or we are not, do you really want to travel down the "are not" road ?

[sandy19731]

Unless they allow *ALL* religious symbols, then ANY on public property now should be REMOVED, you can''''t put ten commandment stone in a public park foised by one group on us while excluding the hundreds of others. Time the Supreme court grow some balls and start ruling on this- religious symbols dont belong on PUBLIC property- PERIOD- put them in your CHURCH where that krap belongs.

Posted by newster1 at 01:41 PM : Nov 12, 2008
But, but, but what about my Flying Spagetti Monster plaque?
Just kidding, loved the comment.

[dbstevens]

This is another example of the military and the legal systems disregard and disrespect for other forms of life and for the environment. I''m ashamed of human beings that harbor these attitudes. They need to limit their activities until they''re SURE of the outcome. Human beings are disgusting when they impose themselves on nature like this. I wish whales (and other forms of life we''re hurting) could defend themselves.

[andor3]

"sound does not affect [whales] like it does humans..."

true: it affects them much more since they are more sensitive and sense of sound is more critical for their hunting and survival.

[twohares]

Tallyman,

Oh yeah... active sonar is only a "Joke" to submarines.
Submarines don''t go active as it alerts everyone to their position.
Surface ships, however, use active sonar to find subs as it doesn''t matter that everyone can hear their sonar. Their on the surface... everyone knows where they are anyway!
Also, active sonar (and especially SOSUS LFA) is used to discourage and "de-louse" sub-prone areas because it keeps the subs AWAY.

A real sonar tech would''ve known that.

OTM/STG for twenty years, dude. You''re outclassed.

[cdfoxtrot5]

I''''''''d like to know what "enemy submarines" they''''''''re talking about

Posted by cdfoxtrot5

Maybe, China, Russia, and North Korea to name a few. What an idiot you must be. I bet your mother is proud.

Posted by damn_fast

You forgot Israel, France, the Netherlands and the UK. Just because nations have submarines doesn''t mean they''re hostile to the US. Destroying wildlife and the environment for the sake of some more redundant "tests" is not in our interests.

And if Russia, etc. wanted to do the US damage, these "tests" won''t prevent them. Russia could end the US as a functioning society in, oh, about 15 minutes, if it so choose. Don''t be so foolish as to think that ploughing more and more into military efforts makes the US safer and immune from attack.

[twohares]

Tallyman,

Yeah, it does become tolerable "to whales". You suggested that I get in and listen to it... big difference. Yes, it would pretty much liquefy my innards. Big difference between whales and humans.
Whales are "liquid saturated" which is part of the reason they can dive to great depths and not "crush" as liquid doesn''t compress.
Sound doesn''t affect them like it does humans which actually have a lot of cavities and gases in the various tissues.
And, the whales make noises themselves that are in excess of 230 Db which is more than the sound pressure of the LFA sonar suite after it dissipates over a few hundred yards.
I''d like to see YOU put 230 Db right next to your ears and not spew blood.
Yet whales create that noise inside their head with no ill effects.
No... the sonar does not hurt them.

[andor3]

the military has needs, living creatures in the sea have needs. if there is a conflict, the military loses--their needs are insignificant because marine life affects the entire planet.

We need to protect the sea from the Navy.

[aldon61]

Perhaps the New Administration will make necessary changes once in Office.






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Posted by TallyMan2008 at 01:11 PM : Nov 12, 2008

Our supreme court is out of balance to the right. The only hope for the next few generations is that president Obama fill any vacancies in the image of Breyer, Ginsberg, Souter and Stephens. Unless there is a death (and I''m not wishing for it), the court will remain a 5-4 conservative edge, even with all new liberal justices. Oh, for a balanced oourt!