Comments on: Supreme Court: No Limits On Navy Sonar Use

Enviro Groups Had Said Sonar Affects Whales; Arguments Begin In Religious Monuments Case

[jumkey]

Hey, where are all the conservative idiots arguing about judicial activism?

Why is the Supreme Court debating harm to whales? The only issue is was the lower court''s ruling constitutional.

Again, it just shows the Supreme Court is noting but lawless Republican political activists.

[prohb]

This decision by the Fiendish Five (conservative majority on the court) against the environment reminds me again about why we voted for Obama - to prevent more people like these from getting on the court who are eviserating all the hard-fought gains we made on the environment.

[idnnsg]

If this kind of stu.pid thinking continues, soon the SC will rule that the military can just start killing US citizens, because they need more "realistic training sessions"!

[idnnsg]

We need a new SC. I hope a few of those a-holes will retire next year.

[feedback3-2009]

What the heck is SCOTUS doing wasting it''''s time with this nonsense.
Any Greenpeace boat gets near a U.S. sub, torpedo the sucker!
We are committing national suicide by cow-towing to all these enviro-wackos.

Grow up America, quick behaving like some limp-wristed PC pansy and get some balls!

Posted by ritewingman at 12:34 PM : Nov 12, 2008
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I totally agree. There is no reason to care about anything but ourselves on this planet and we should immediately add a hyphenated "wacko" designation to the name of anyone who does. And, we should use ignorant phrases like "limp wristed" to demonstrate that there are sub-classes of humans who also don''t deserve consideration.

[sincity_q]

No one will deny that the Navy needs to have unfettered access to the best technology but... that being said, using sonar in the lower ''G'' range that affects sealife is completely uneeded. The only use would be to cpnfuse enemy reception and then, once discovered and ranged, it becomes useless.

This is a cover up for something more.

[nothappyatall]

Cities and states worry that a ruling for the Summum would allow almost anyone to erect a monument in a public park, including people with hateful points of view, or lead to the removal of war memorials and other longstanding displays. "

Unless they allow *ALL* religious symbols, then ANY on public property now should be REMOVED, you can''t put ten commandment stone in a public park foised by one group on us while excluding the hundreds of others. Time the Supreme court grow some balls and start ruling on this- religious symbols dont belong on PUBLIC property- PERIOD- put them in your CHURCH where that krap belongs.

[ronaldh7]

ritewingman: I hoped you wiped before you put your head up there.

[tallyman2008]

To anyone who thinks SONAR does not hurt whales ears ?

Ok, YOU get in the water to test that idea.

Good Luck



To twohares


I not only served aboard a ship in Navy, I was one of the Sonar Techs - and sorry, you are full of it.

;-)


For one thing ... 140+ db of acoustic energy in water at 5-10 kHz does not become ''tolerable'' after a few hundred yards.

YOU go diving as a test to prove your claim of ''tolerable'' - then come see us after, with both your ear drums blown out.

Or, just go stand in front of the speakers at a rock concert. Put your face in there real close now ;-)

Active SONAR is a joke. Any smart sub will avoid it, easily. The use of active Sonar is just a money maker for the Military Industrial Complex perpetuating a myth upon America that it does some good in finding subs.

130 years ago the USA, with support from our Government, destroyed an entire species of animal when we wiped out the Buffalo - in the name of Military Necessity.

Hopefully we have now grown as a Nation and will not allow greed, ignorance, and false promises of security to influence our thinking and repeat the same mistakes of the past.

Plus, the Supremes did not rule on the question of ''harm'' to whales, just that the Lower Court did not have the authority to make their ruling.

Perhaps the New Administration will make necessary changes once in Office.

[nojoy01]

Do the displays that may now be donated include displays that portray Eros & Saphos in their form of worship ??

[cbscrash072]

If your going to bend over backward to justify displaying the Ten Commandments on public grounds, especially when you know that it is offensive to a segment of the population, then you kinda have to take all other donated displays too. Even the ones from fringe religions that are not lucky enough to have your numbers of unthinking supporters.

[fabrat1]

Thanks Supreme Court this is great. My son is in the Navy currently and he said it''s really tough to do a realistic training session if you can''t do it the right way. It limits training and in the event we ever need the Navy''s protection I would want them to be trained to the fullest.

[get_it_str8]

The Summum say the Seven Aphorisms were given to Moses on Mount Sinai along with the Ten Commandments. Moses destroyed the tablet containing the aphorisms saying "You can''t handle the truth!", or something like that....

[twohares]

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How did we get from sonar and whales to monuments in parks? Active sonar makes whales deaf. A deaf whale might as well be blind, since they use echolocation to find their food, each other, and to find their way on their migration routes.

These drills could just as easily take place in simulators or in a body of fresh water like Lake Tahoe.
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Having personally served on the USNS Impeccable, which has an active sonar that is considered the loudest man-made noise second only to the space shuttle launch, I can tell you that it would NOT hurt the whales unless they were within feet of the transducer, which would never happen.

Once the sound radiates a few hundred yards from the transducer, it is lowers in Db to a tolerable level that is less than the noise the whales make themselves.
Some whales, the sperm wale and the blue whale specifically, make clicking bursts of sound LOUDER than the active ping and use it to stun prey.

This sonar has been extensively tested and does not hurt the whales. In fact, many whales actually come CLOSER out of curiosity to see what''s making the noise.
Gee... if something "hurts," wouldn''t they go the OTHER way????

[skarrzpapi]

it''s a sad sad sad day for Enviros, Whales and the Human Race in general......I mean..COME ON??..Subs from where?..other then maybe Cina and whats left of Soviets, ok N Korea as well..but other then those..who out there is really gonna be patroling the US waters?..and even so..a threat?... not a chance!!!

[donevis-2009]

Can any of you understand what it would be like to have a large bell over you head and having it hit with a hammer? Now imagine that noise every 2 seconds. I''d beach myself as well. "Gee mommy whey do the whales and dolphins come to die on the beach?" " I don''t know honey maybe they''re lost or sick". I guess the supream court doesn''t care, they don''t live there. We wouldn''t have to worry about the Subs if we got along with the other countries.

[downtowner97]

How did we get from sonar and whales to monuments in parks? Active sonar makes whales deaf. A deaf whale might as well be blind, since they use echolocation to find their food, each other, and to find their way on their migration routes.

These drills could just as easily take place in simulators or in a body of fresh water like Lake Tahoe.

[damn_fast]

I''''d like to know what "enemy submarines" they''''re talking about

Posted by cdfoxtrot5

Maybe, China, Russia, and North Korea to name a few. What an idiot you must be. I bet your mother is proud.

[rafterman1]

===I''''d like to know what "enemy submarines" they''''re talking about. I suspect Al Queda is some way off having submarines, and even further away from having submarines that could launch missiles.===
Posted by cdfoxtrot5

Nuclear armed Russian SSBN''s still prowl off our coasts - just as we do on their coasts.

[solarrays247-2009]

"The Bush administration argued that there is little evidence of harm to marine life in more than 40 years of exercises off the California coast."

Yepper, and we surely can believe everything that the Bush administration claims, can''t we?