Comments on: High Court Limits Race In School Choice

5-4 Decision Will Affect How Race Is Used To Assign Students To Public Schools

[wiccantexan]

I wonder if all the well educated people from India and Pakistan know that. They could have been so much more than just doctors and engineers if only their schools had more money, and a better stadium.
Posted by my2centss at 02:37 PM : Jun 28, 2007

ROFLMAO! Well-said.

[diverinnl]

S_Temper, I never stated that children would achieve equally. What primarily drives success is social/family value factors, education is just one of many tools on that path. My point is that all chldren should be equal in the eyes of the law. Funding by enrollement is the best solution to that issue that I can think of. If you have a better solution, I'm all ears.

[wiccantexan]

We could possibly help all schools by: (1) Allow open prayers and discussion of religion in schools. (3) All schools get the "exact" same funding for each child, now matter where the child resides. (4) Ensure all educators get the same pay. (5) Get rid of all the testing and exit exams that drives most students to the streets. (6) Understand that not everyone was born to be A or B student, or even go to college. Furthermore, most of these students could do just fine with a High School education.
Posted by repentance1 at 01:26 PM : Jun 28, 2007

#1: It's already allowed. It's just not allowed to be a forced mandate. Students can pray and discuss religion all they want outside the classroom, even on school grounds.

#3: Agreed. Let teacher quality be the standard, not how much $$ gets thrown at each student.

#4: Disagree. Let merit be the guideline there.

#5: Strongly agree. My now-college-grad daughter said that studying for the stupid tests in HS and middle school did not prepare her well for college; she had a rough time the first year.

#6: Agree, but it will still serve them well to have at least a freshman-college-level education by the time they graduate high school.

[my2centss]

I always thought that hard work and studying made kids learn. After reading on here, I find out some kids don't learn well because their schools don't have as much money. I wonder if all the well educated people from India and Pakistan know that. They could have been so much more than just doctors and engineers if only their schools had more money, and a better stadium.

[wiccantexan]

Well my goodness. What a surprise.

The Republicans have made racism legal again.
Posted by SearingTruth at 01:37 PM : Jun 28, 2007

I have a black, southern Baptist female friend who absolutely despises affirmative action, Black History Month, and anything else that segregates (through political correctness) her from anyone else. This action does NOT make racism legal; it's a step in the right direction about making the issue of race obsolete.

[dogsoul]

This simply throws light upon the fundamental hypocrisy of battling racism WITH racism - and it's not like this is anything new to us. I can tell you from a corporate perspective, it started out as quotas - you had to have a certain mathematical mix of minorities & genders... well NOW, "quotas" is a bad word so the current practice is to continue with quotas, but we're just not allowed to acknowledge them as such - it's literally taboo & frankly dangerous to talk about it, even though it's precisely what we are mandated to do. In our HR meetings, they say "quotas" is an old outdated way of thinking - we just want "diversity" and equal opportunities for everyone... so I asked, "...okay, so how are we measured on that should we be subject to any litigation?" The answer, "...well, by the 'metrics'..." so, quotas.... I left it at that. The basic idea is that it's "good racism" because it's designed to give one pressumed downtrodden race/gender a boost over another pressumed more fortunate race so as to equal out the playing field, racially speaking of course. And if the white male applicant happens to need the job, fallen on bad times, wants to attend said school, or even if he's indeed the most qualified... well, that's too bad, after all - he's got it better than minorities & women so he'll manage.

[realpatriot1]

mbcsmith,

I didn't think I did refer to you as white but,if so, I stand corrected.

I regret any offense,either real or perceived, to all pigment-challenged-Centro-European-Americans

[processor2]

Great decision

Afterall,
It was MLK,jr who said that we should judge someone by the content of their character, and NOT by the color of their skin.

This Supreme Court decision reaffirms that belief.

...

[diverinnl]

"ineductaion" should read "in education"... I guess I need some more of it myself (LOL)

[realpatriot1]

S_Temper,

Sorry if I misinterpreted what you meant, I was responding to the remark about why don't blacks take pride in their neighborhoods(I know quite a few that do and have some very nice predominately black neighborhoods to show for it)-I thought you felt that Black organizations brought this case.

repentance1/blackties,

My last comment was meant in response to blackties,sorry.

[diverinnl]

"Is there some secret magic formula being doled out to kids in "rich" neighborhoods? "

Posted by S_Temper at 02:06 PM : Jun 28, 2007

Just to answer your question, yes, in most circumstances. Education funding is spread back into most communities based on paid tax percentages. That is why you see some low population, upper middle class neighborhoods with really good schools and the next district over is horrible. The higher the GDP tax base, the more that is paid back ineductaion funding. I don't agree with this method but it happens all over the country.

[realpatriot1]

repentance1,

I hear what you're saying and I do think when kids are insulated from diversity they lose out.

However, I think trying to accomplish that by socially engineered school assignments causes as many problems as it resolves, aprticularly when there's no quality education at the end of the ride.

First and foremost, there should be quality education in all schools funded equally. Secondly, there should be agressive enforcement of open housing and anti-discrimination laws so that everyone can live where they want.

That still won't produce a diverse educational experience for everyone. There should be more magnet and inter-school programs where kids can
"bus" to other schools on occasion and interact with students from other schools and other backgrounds. That's a far cry from the everyday disruption of kids having to leave early and get home late to worried working parents who have to travel across town for every teacher conference and so on.

[consciousnes]

The pendulum on race may have finally come back to center. For decades now corporations have been forced to hire a disproportionate number of minorities to supposedly compensate for past discrimination even though the people were not qualified for the position. I know first hand the effects of this reverse discrimination.
Not that I approve of discrimination, just the opposite as a mater of fact. I do believe in justice for all, but not to discriminate to the extent of degrading the quality and or quantity of the endeavor.
%u201CNo Child Left Behind%u201D is another example that is not working. The quality of our education system in being reduced even further just because our %u201CKnow it all%u201D Federal Government has decided that just because a child did not learn what they were supposed to for what ever reason, they should not be failed. Thus more and more children are being discriminated against because they cannot or will not learn for some reason.
Where do we stop being %u201CPolitically Correct%u201D and start doing what is good and right for making this world a better place?

[mbcsmith]

As a transplanted Yankee in the south your description of the 2 sides of town conforms with what I see. That is, the vestages of segreagtion where whites lived on one side of the tracks and African-Americans on the other.
posted by realpatriot1

Please do not refer to me as white. I prefer pigment-challenged-Centro-European-American.

[searingtruth]

Well my goodness.

What a surprise.

The Republicans have made racism legal again.
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%u201CPlease.

Protect the innocent.%u201D
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[vastr-wcon]

Finally, amongst the cesspool of BAD decision by the Roberts Bushit court, there is ONE GOOD DECISION. If this court does nothing else (and I hope to god that is so) getting rid of racial preference will be its proud hallmark. Hallelujah!

[l8c6]

This has NIMBY written all over it. Pre-emptive action to keep the future legalized illegals out of the backyards of the business owners who hire their cheap labor to maximize profits.

[l8c6]

This pre-emptive action to keep the future legalized illegals out of the "better schools"

[repentance1]

We could possibly help all schools by: (1) Allow open prayers and discussion of religion in schools. (2) Correct the misconception of those who believe that only certain people pay taxes. Just about every law abiding citizen pay taxes, especially in the retail stores and income taxes. (3) All schools get the "exact" same funding for each child, now matter where the child resides. (4) Ensure all educators get the same pay. (5) Get rid of all the testing and exit exams that drives most students to the streets. (6) Understand that not everyone was born to be A or B student, or even go to college. Furthermore, most of these students could do just fine with a High School education. Most of our jobs do not require a college degree, and now days college degrees (including with scholarship) are out of reach of most students. Loans are too expensive, especially if you can't make it through college (and yes, you will have to repay it). (7)Money in, money out, money back in... Done....how easy :-)

[blackties_04]

Anyone can get the level of education they strive for. It is truly up to the individual. With that being said, was this argument really about that? In my eyes, I see a lost opportunity for Americans to culturally grow together and that does start at childhood. If you only deal with a certain type of people throughout your childhood I think it can cripple your understanding of others as an adult. We support this xenophobia by keeping certain groups separated based on rich, poor, and yes even race. How can we as Americans ask others (Sunni/Shiite) to have tolerance for each other when we cannot even practice this value fairly without a court ruling. The government should not have to tell us to fairly integrate. We as human beings should want to be culturally diverse. This is not a major set back for black America but America as a whole and it has shown that after years of struggle not one thing has changed about the way ALL people think. Not just one group everyone.