Comments on: High Court Limits Race In School Choice

5-4 Decision Will Affect How Race Is Used To Assign Students To Public Schools

[diverinnl]

dmk3, thanks for the response and I hope you understand I meant no offense. You seem as if you're a no nonsense kind of person and I respect that. You're right though that all social groups have their "rebels" so to speak but I don't understand the obvious popularity of the "gangster" culture across all social/racial barriers.

Anyway, thanks for the honesty and keep fighting the good fight.

[dmk3]

diverinni,
Unfortunately, I can't answer that question. Sad to say most times it embarress me. I wish that it would stop. However, I refuse to believe that the black community is the only group of people displaying this type of behavior. I believe that discipline begins at home. It is my belief that as parents we have lost a grip.(Funny you ask this question) Just yesterday,on my home from work, I was asking the same question. I started to think back to when I was a kid and how I thought my parents were the meanest most horrible people walking the face of the earth. But now that I am an adult I am ever so grateful that they were those kind of parents. I believe that most people who were raised like I was swore that when they had kids they wouldn't treat their children like their parents did them. So a lot of us(My age group) let our kids do whatever the hell they want, hence our now generation.ie being a grandparent at 30 years old. In my day it was an embarrasment to be a pregnant teenager, it was hush, hush, and not something that the family was proud of. So to answer your question,I really don't know. I think that parents stopped being parents and started being friends. I'm old school and believe that 'it takes a village to raise a child'.
Sorry I can't answer your question.

[diverinnl]

dmk3, can I ask a question? I ask this because I am genuinly curious and do not know the answer.

Why does popular black culture and black media (movies and music) embrace a social standard that is inherently self destructive? What I mean is, why is using derogatory language towards women and other races, anti-social behavior, etc. popularized among black youth? I just don't see the attraction.

[dmk3]

stemper,
let me ask you a question, and if there is a sound explanation...pardon my ignorance. but in order to get staticstical facts, some sort of survey has to be done...right? and who's conducting those surveys? possibly a bunch of white people? look i agree with you that the black community has a lot of work to do, but the last thing we need is someone throwing it in our faces. the white community isn't necessarily the cream of the crop as once believed. this is just an observation on my behalf. yes the truth hurts, indeed it does sometimes. but i think if we started sweeping around our own front doors first, we won't have so much time to 'observe' what others are doing.

as far as commenting on black women, you said'i don't mean being some ho's babys daddy'. i assumed since you were talking about black men, that that statement was directed at black women.

no offense was taken by the way, i was only voicing my opinion as were you.

[oakishpines]

if folk pay restaurants to make folk pay for lunch and charities to feed folk for free: do they expect restaurants to inhuvanely starve the hungry in a world that throws away more food than is needed to feed the world?

if folk vote to be taxed at gunppoint, does that mean they expect to be forced to feed the best folk to cram trillions of dollars of pills down the throats of the imbalanced or scare immigrants into stacks of twenty per closet or fill up prisons with poor blacks or concentrate decaddesof heavy warfare on a particular people of a particular sections of the globe or force clothes on tiny naked kids or big old kids or verbally abuse the obese or challenge the optionjs of homos or starve and censure the lazy ignorant or profane or force paid cavity searches on those who get paid to do cavity searches for pleasure or to pursue, incognito, enemy soliers through school hallways or to ensure 99 plus % of all spankings go to kids age five and less or or or or ?

for each dollar spent and each law passed for morality and security, how many infants and toddlers and other kids age five and less suffer torture and death? and how many soldiers?

does the media stop owing a voice to people when they become enemies of a government? does the media start owing a voice to people when they become friends of a government? are utilities of people by people regardless if government is or is not?

[dan9111]

So much hogwash coming from the liberals. Ask a liberal for a definition of equal rights. Then ask them from a definition that does not self-contradict. Logic is not their specialty. It turns out that liberals are racists and conservatives are liars. In today's denial-politics, both parties are doing nothing but threatening murder. Their actions will never be under your influence. Certainly not even 1% as much as the reverse. Political action is a fantasy. We can see today how ludicrous both parties are when the hold the everlasting wish that enduring truth can be found by government means.

[dmk3]

stemper,
I believe that wherever a person is in their life is a result of the choices that they have made. I personally don't blame anyone for things that may have gone array in my lifetime. I happen to be one of the accountable ones.

[dmk3]

A slave in my own mind like you? Because you believe that an entire race of people are dependent upon you? You sound crazy. I am a black woman who answers yes to all of your questions.My husband whom is the father of both of my children can also answer yes to your questions. Tell me, how do you answer? If you said yes, then YOU are an unusual man period. Are you suggesting that only black women have baby daddy's? Stop being silly and stop being a bigot.And why would a single mother be a ho?

[xzavierbrown]

earn your place in society instead of it being handed to you. Of all races present in today's american society, the black race is nailed to the floor when it comes to advancement.

"equality is the slogan of the weak"..

and the liberals will make sure that the black race remains weak

[fredgrad2000]

"Quite the opposite. The SC just indicated that race CANNOT be used as a factor. Much to the dismay of LIBS who believe the government should run every aspect of American life." - mbcsmith

AGREED!! How can something be called racism if you're specifically stating race cannot be considered in this factor. If I move to a neighborhood, and pay those higher property taxes for my kid to go to those schools; he better not be moved for race's sake to a poor school somewhere else. Schools were set up as districts by locale - let that be the force - no matter how many of any race that results in; using race to change districting is racism; not ignoring it!! The concept is nothing but income redistribution again - ex: I pay $3000 in property taxes while Mr. Q pays $800 in property taxes my $3000 goes now to the good school in a district where everyone else also pays $3000 in property taxes; and yet my son has to go to the school funded by $800 property tax payers!? Liberal concept...and a wrong one.

[realpatriot1]

S_Temper,

It's not about achieiving equal results, it's about having equal opportunity to achieve unequal results.

Money isn't the only factor but it is important and it would help to have less of a disparity. Those federal regulations don't mean much without the state and local funding conforming.

However, I agree it's not a magic bullet that's going to solve the problem entirely by itself.

[diverinnl]

dogsoul, you did in fact point out parent involvement and I stand corrected. For some reason, selective dislexia must have kicked in on me. I apologize.

[diverinnl]

dogsoul, On the surface, I see your point. One factor your missing here is parent involvement. With private schools, most parents have made serious personal financial investments in their kids education and are more likely to stay involved with what is happening at the school. Also, faculty has significantly more leeway when it comes to discipline, authority, etc. If parents were involved in public education as they are in private education, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

[mbcsmith]

Well my goodness. What a surprise.

The Republicans have made racism legal again.
Posted by SearingTruth at 01:37 PM : Jun 28, 2007

Quite the opposite. The SC just indicated that race CANNOT be used as a factor. Much to the dismay of LIBS who believe the government should run every aspect of American life.

[repentance1]

Dog Soul,

That is the problem. Church should not be seperated from anything on this God given earth.

Jesus is Lord

[dmk3]

S TEMPER,
Truth- I worry about anybody robbing or murdering me. White or black. And how am I acting like a slave? Do you know me? NOPE! I wrote in response to your ignorant statements... Why are blacks concerned with getting something for nothing? We have bad attitudes. And the media hyping up rare occurences of white on black violence.(Because it's not publicized)We follow whitey around. Just like I have never been a slave, YOU have never stole....You generalized an entire people.
Furthermore, I don't need to travel out of the country to know how fortunate I am. And regardless of when your people came here, it wasn't theirs.

Don't try to flip your words, you said some really nasty things about one race and now you wanna make it about being murdered or robbed.
Pick a topic.

[repentance1]

RealPatriot1,

Thank you for the comments concerning my suggestion. My replay is as follows:

I beleve that we now have enough qualified educators of all races to teach in any area, and if these educators received the same funding that all other schools received, there is no excuse for having uneducated students graduating from our High Schools. One of the biggest barriers for past and present educators is/have been obtaining the resources, books, and technology for the kids in their areas. With equal funding, SCHOOL DISTRICT'S and their ELECTED BOARD MEMBER'S could ensure that their kids are getting the "best" possible education. Diversity is occuring naturally as more of us are moving our families into areas of higher income. I see more diverse people in higher positions in the job market. Unfortunately, that also takes away from a smaller groups percentages in elected office positions because they unable to maintain a solidity in a specific voting precint or area. It is also harder for them to mobilize to fight injustices, which just happens to be their duty as a US citizen. This is why I say, "educate our youths wherever they live". "Have FAITH that they will improve with time", but we cannot rush the process. Remember that this will also affect the 2nd most pop. and growing group (hispanic's). Please don't take the cap's as shouting...Jesus always said to take care of the poor..... Peace to all through Jesus Christ

[dogsoul]

The reality is that the "funding" arguement is tenuous at best. Many rinky dink little Catholic schools don't have anywhere NEAR the funding or teacher pay of public schools, yet somehow they churn out an infinitely superior product. Some say it's because they don't have to accept EVERY student, b.s. sure, some are selective, but most take whoever gets enrolled - and don't end up expelling hardly anyone. BUT, what IS different (besides the vast difference in funding) is that there's typically no self serving teachers union that doesn't allow merit & performance to prevail - AND the overall difference in parental influence observed between the two universes...

[dogsoul]

"(1) Allow open prayers and discussion of religion in schools. (3) All schools get the "exact" same funding for each child, now matter where the child resides. (4) Ensure all educators get the same pay. (5) Get rid of all the testing and exit exams that drives most students to the streets. (6) Understand that not everyone was born to be A or B student, or even go to college. Furthermore, most of these students could do just fine with a High School education.
Posted by repentance1 at 01:26 PM : Jun 28, 2007"

1 - Not key to education, and problematic from a church/state separation perspective
3 - same funding, I'm fine with that, it's a public good after all
4 - same pay? Tricky, best to leave economics negotiable at the local level, better solution - break the teachers union... we should have the best education in the world, we don't - that's why.
5 - Don't lower the bar, raise the students up - see point 4
6 - True, many very decent jobs don't require college - but I would still defer to point 4

[processor2]

Great decision

Afterall,
It was MLK,jr who said that we should judge someone by the content of their character, and NOT by the color of their skin.

This Supreme Court decision reaffirms that belief.

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