Things are getting serious now -- the clergy have pivoted and are expanding the culture war well outside the confines of the church. Anyone ready to head back to era of women living as birthing chattel or watch people denied funds for life-saving treatment on an employer's whim? Because the priests certainly are.
"Bishops plan aggressive expansion of birth-control battle" http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/14/us-usa-contraception-catholics-idUSTRE81D21920120214
Here's a thought, how about we solve the issue by just not requiring health care providers to provide contraceptives for women at all? Let the insurers offer different plans, and let the employers and employees decide which policies they can afford and will pay for. Why should women get free contraceptives? I'm male and I don't get free condoms from my insurer, and guess what, condoms prevent a lot more "diseases" than do birth control pills. Isn't that gender-based discrimination?
I don't want the government in my bedroom decisions AT ALL, so lets drop the regulations that require health insurers to provide contraceptives altogether and the issue is settled, plus we can all pocket some extra money through lower health insurance rates.
Well, gosh, dragon. I guess there's a huge difference between having sex and getting pregnant and having sex and getting someone pregnant. Check back with me when you've had 9 months of getting sick, gone through labor, and then are abandoned high and dry by the guy who was "equal" in the costs of birth control.
It appears the Obama "Propaganda, truth squad" is working hard on this issue.
Obama's first lie, is that insurance companies will do this for FREE. They don't do anything for free.
The second lie, is that insurance companies will pay, and NOT the religious organization. Many Catholic and Baptist organizations are "self insured", there is no insurance company.
Many Catholics do use BC, but very few of them support abortion, which most of us believe is murder.
Even if this belief is old fashioned, we have a Constitutional right to religious freedom. The first amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, ...............
Forcing religious, non profit organizations to finance birth control and abortion is unconstitutional.
Even the Amish have an "excemption" from social security taxes, so there is a history of granting excemptions to established religious organizations.
Even if you want to define BC and abortion as heathcare, which it isn't, people don't have a Constitutional right to free healthcare.
State laws may ask the same thing, but I don't believe these laws apply to "self funded" healthcare funds. Even if they do, it's a state law, not a federal law. Most states don't do it, so why should we follow the lead of the minority ?
I don't even think it's a huge cost savings for people. Aren't generif BC pills about $10 a month ? I'll check with my four daughters. They all use BC, but none of the support murder, by abortion.(or any other type of murder)
Now, I wasn't in every Catholic Church on Sun, but the Bishop's letter was read. It was repeated in thousands of churches and read to millions of Catholics. If my parish is an indicator of how we all feel, Obama is WRONG. Many of us are liberal enough to use BC, but not liberal enough to finance the murder of your unborn child.
In 2008, 54% of us voted for President Obama. We all thought he was against abortion. Turns out, we were mistaken. He will not get 54% of our vote again. He's lost millions of religious, supporters on this issue.
If we are gun owning Catholics, we have two huge reasons to vote against President Obama. We suspect he will trample our Constitutional "right to bear arms".
No one is for abortion, but it is the best option in some circumstances. And the law recognizes differences between embryos, fetuses, infants, and children, even if you do not. I think it is immoral to force victims of rape or incest to have that baby. If you truly believe that stopping an embryo from further cell division is murder, I guess you've got some other zealots to bond with.
The Bishops are wrong on this-very wrong. The churches and religious place of worhip are excepted from this law. However, religious affiliated private businesses are not excepted, but a provision was made so that they don't have to pay for it.
What the catholic bishop want is an outright elemination of contraceptive. If the catholic affiliated businesses have an employee that is not oppose to contraceptive, why should the catholic church be able to impose their will on that employee. What stop other religious leaders from claiming other exceptions. Should we make provision for the Jehova Witness to be able to deny blood transfusion to any of their employees who do not share their religious believe?
Enough politicing by these Bishops. This is an health care issue not a religious issue. I hope women catholics will stand up and let their voice be held by the church leaders whose position contradicts that of most catholics as it relate to contraceptives.
"Should we make provision for the Jehovah Witness to be able to deny blood transfusion to any of their employees who do not share their religious believe?" Interesting point. I am not thrilled with Dolan because of his seemingly relentless attack on gays. I still struggle and try to remain sensitive to religious rights because I and am concerned that some of the current dialog may result in real restriction of religious rights. However, when should one Church have more claim to religious freedom than another? Thanks for this example.
Here's my own postscript: The revised HHS ruling eliminates the "religious liberty" argument, so now my church's right-wing dogmatic Bishops are left with their anti-sexuality opposition to birth control. Lest you think Bishops speak for American Catholics, especially women, you will sadly learn that nary a word about this issue crossed the lips of most priests giving sermons in this country last Sunday. And, this may be hitting below the belt, but Catholic Bishops, who looked the other way when their clerical underlings were sodomizing altar boys, are hardly ones to take the high moral ground about anything.
I would really love to see these cardinals and bishops on national tv as they have been with this political crap ranting about the priests who molest children but they are too busy trying to hide the problem. Guess the destroyed lives of children already born don't really matter. Let women who want the contraceptives get them and those that are staunchly Catholic decline. Majority of catholics practice birth control anyway. I am Catholic but this has really got me thinking about why I am!
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"Bishops plan aggressive expansion of birth-control battle"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/14/us-usa-contraception-catholics-idUSTRE81D21920120214
I don't want the government in my bedroom decisions AT ALL, so lets drop the regulations that require health insurers to provide contraceptives altogether and the issue is settled, plus we can all pocket some extra money through lower health insurance rates.
Obama's first lie, is that insurance companies will do this for FREE. They don't do anything for free.
The second lie, is that insurance companies will pay, and NOT the religious organization. Many Catholic and Baptist organizations are "self insured", there is no insurance company.
Many Catholics do use BC, but very few of them support abortion, which most of us believe is murder.
Even if this belief is old fashioned, we have a Constitutional right to religious freedom. The first amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, ...............
Forcing religious, non profit organizations to finance birth control and abortion is unconstitutional.
Even the Amish have an "excemption" from social security taxes, so there is a history of granting excemptions to established religious organizations.
Even if you want to define BC and abortion as heathcare, which it isn't, people don't have a Constitutional right to free healthcare.
State laws may ask the same thing, but I don't believe these laws apply to "self funded" healthcare funds. Even if they do, it's a state law, not a federal law. Most states don't do it, so why should we follow the lead of the minority ?
I don't even think it's a huge cost savings for people. Aren't generif BC pills about $10 a month ? I'll check with my four daughters. They all use BC, but none of the support murder, by abortion.(or any other type of murder)
Now, I wasn't in every Catholic Church on Sun, but the Bishop's letter was read. It was repeated in thousands of churches and read to millions of Catholics. If my parish is an indicator of how we all feel, Obama is WRONG. Many of us are liberal enough to use BC, but not liberal enough to finance the murder of your unborn child.
In 2008, 54% of us voted for President Obama. We all thought he was against abortion. Turns out, we were mistaken. He will not get 54% of our vote again. He's lost millions of religious, supporters on this issue.
If we are gun owning Catholics, we have two huge reasons to vote against President Obama. We suspect he will trample our Constitutional "right to bear arms".
What the catholic bishop want is an outright elemination of contraceptive. If the catholic affiliated businesses have an employee that is not oppose to contraceptive, why should the catholic church be able to impose their will on that employee. What stop other religious leaders from claiming other exceptions. Should we make provision for the Jehova Witness to be able to deny blood transfusion to any of their employees who do not share their religious believe?
Enough politicing by these Bishops. This is an health care issue not a religious issue. I hope women catholics will stand up and let their voice be held by the church leaders whose position contradicts that of most catholics as it relate to contraceptives.