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- He had no faith in either the GOPers nor the Dems in those meetings (like Pelosi!!!!).
And he was justified to have no faith in them. - Reply to this comment
- Last I checked, Bill Clinton let bin Laden go free....
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- The fun thing about playing with the righties is it keeps their intent and the im/amoral logic that they use to justify their actions on display in front of America and the world.
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Headline Yesterday...
Americans soldiers dying in Afghanistan at a record rate...
The fun thing about playing with the leftties is it keeps their intent and the immoral logic that they use to justify their actions on display in front of America and the world. - Reply to this comment
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- by despido July 13, 2009 8:41 AM PDT
Headline Yesterday...
Americans soldiers dying in Afghanistan at a record rate...
The fun thing about playing with the leftties is it keeps their intent and the immoral logic that they use to justify their actions on display in front of America and the world.
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Now if only I had said something to disparage our Armed Forces or to wish them anything but quick and absolute victory, your ploy of attempting to paint me as a traitor wouldn't be so transparent.
My primary grievance with that last Administration is that they got a lot of people killed for no good reason.
First, by inventing reasons to invade Iraq.
Second, by sending a small and under-armored force in order to keep projected costs down and so protect their tax cuts.
Third, by resisting any increase in force levels for so long - again, to hide the damage the war was doing to the nation's budget.
Fourth, by funding the war "off the books", again to hide the negative impact on the national debt.
Fifth, for diverting our forces away from Afghanistan, thus allowing the Taliban and al Qaeda time to rest and rearm.
Sixth, for allowing Osama bin Laden to get away.
For those six reasons, I consider Bush, Cheney, & PNAC, LLP to be traitors, whose treason was committed in the pursuit of - to use the old phrase - filthy lucre.
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Referring to efforts to kill or capture the enemy and keep the methods used from leaking to the press by way of self serving politicians as 'immoral logic' IS disparaging to our sons and daughters in the military and is in fact sypathetic to the enemy.
- by despido July 13, 2009 9:07 AM PDT" ibsteve2u
Referring to efforts to kill or capture the enemy and keep the methods used from leaking to the press by way of self serving politicians as 'immoral logic' IS disparaging to our sons and daughters in the military and is in fact sypathetic to the enemy."
Sacrificing our system of government by using illegal methods to achieve goals which were illegal to start with - even CHENEY has come out and said that the presence of al Qaeda in Iraq was untrue - is just compounding treachery with more treachery.
- by despido July 13, 2009 8:41 AM PDT
- Steve, still having reading comprehension problems I see.
I used to work for him, until he moved on to a new position. Later, I moved on to a new position. It happens.
But while I worked underneath him for 2 years...that guy was a mess!!! - Reply to this comment
- by USASTILLONTOP July 13, 2009 8:19 AM PDT
typical liberals.. Let the terrorists go free... Investigate the people trying to keep their as*es safe.
Bush let bin Laden go free, and last I checked, he wasn't anywhere near smart enough to be a liberal.
And Cheney's orders had NOTHING to do with keeping America safe. It was all about assuming complete and total unchecked power, and shredding the constitutionally mandated system of checks and balances. - Reply to this comment
- I, for one, have no problem with circumventing laws that benefit only the enemy during a time of war. No problem at all. I do, however, have a problem with an administration that gives millions in taxpayer funds to individuals as bonuses for detroying our banking system, then pretends to 'not know' when they had personally signed the authorization.
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- The fun thing about playing with the righties is it keeps their intent and the im/amoral logic that they use to justify their actions on display in front of America and the world.
Hopefully, that will prevent thoughtful people who have had a chance to consider the way the righties think from ever falling for one of their advertisements or television commercials when election season rolls around.
They always try to conceal themselves in "moral values" gift wrap when elections roll around, but they are still the same people who post on CBS underneath. - Reply to this comment
- by Joe_NY_15 July 13, 2009 7:15 AM PDT
You are so right, telling Congress of a operation against Islamic Militants is the same as sending a press release to the NY times.....that's how the Democrats are, inherently un-american.....I still remember Clinton telegraphing the operation in Hati, the news people were on the beach first in Hati, shining camera lights in the eyes of our Navy Seals landing on the beach.....
Since the republicans controlled ALL of the leadership posts in the house AND senate at the time that Cheney gave his "FFFF America" orders, we must assume that he had NO FAITH in the republicans.
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- He had no faith in either the GOPers nor the Dems in those meetings (like Pelosi!!!!).
And he was justified to have no faith in them.
- Probably true, no member of congress can be trusted with covert information....including liberal republicans and democrats....they all have big mouths that are more concerned with re-election, then our national security.
- He had no faith in either the GOPers nor the Dems in those meetings (like Pelosi!!!!).
- Amazing how those who say they're against "big government" and "socialism" have no problem with a complete disregard of checks and balances that allows a chief executive to become a dictator and a fascist, ordering up whatever he or his master Cheney want done, no matter if it's illegal.
If Obama had done this the knuckle draggers would be up in arms (and rightly so) about unchecked power, bypassing the law, criminal activity, etc. But since it's Jabbering Junior and Lintball says it's okay, these same big-government hating right wingers point fingers at the left for even wanting to discuss this.
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- I, for one, have no problem with circumventing laws that benefit only the enemy during a time of war. No problem at all. I do, however, have a problem with an administration that gives millions in taxpayer funds to individuals as bonuses for detroying our banking system, then pretends to 'not know' when they had personally signed the authorization.
- Gee, Mortarman...don't you worry that your credibility will suffer when you go from "used to work for" Holder to "cleaning up his messes" in only two sentences?
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- You're one of the fools I mentioned above.
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- typical liberals.. Let the terrorists go free... Investigate the people trying to keep their as*es safe.
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- Before anyone attempts to defend members of the Bush administration for torture of suspects they should read U.S. Code: Title 18: Part 1: Chapter 113c: Sections 2340 for a specific definition of the act of torture:
(1) ?torture? means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
(2) ?severe mental pain or suffering? means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from?
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; and
(3) ?United States? means the several States of the United States, the District of Columbia, and the commonwealths, territories, and possessions of the United States.
Chapter 2340A states:
a) Offense.? Whoever outside the United States commits or attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results to any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.
(b) Jurisdiction.? There is jurisdiction over the activity prohibited in subsection (a) if?
(1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States; or
(2) the alleged offender is present in the United States, irrespective of the nationality of the victim or alleged offender.
(c) Conspiracy.? A person who conspires to commit an offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties (other than the penalty of death) as the penalties prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.
Section 2340B, reads:
Nothing in this chapter shall be construed as precluding the application of State or local laws on the same subject, nor shall anything in this chapter be construed as creating any substantive or procedural right enforceable by law by any party in any civil proceeding.
It is past time for the Justice Department to issue arrest warrants for every member of the Bush administration who sat in on this meeting where it was authorized.
Cheney admits authorizing detainee's torture
David Edwards and Stephen C. Webster
Published: Monday December 15, 2008
Monday, outgoing Vice President Dick Cheney made a startling statement on a nation-wide, televised broadcast.
When asked by ABC News reporter Jonathan Karl whether he approved of interrogation tactics used against a so-called "high value prisoner" at the controversial Guantanamo Bay prison, Mr. Cheney, in a break from his history of being press-shy, admitted to giving official sanctioning of torture.
"I supported it," he said regarding the practice known as "water-boarding," a form of simulated drowning. After World War II, Japanese soldiers were tried and convicted of war crimes in US courts for water-boarding, a practice which the outgoing Bush administration attempted to enshrine in policy.
"I was aware of the program, certainly, and involved in helping get the process cleared, as the agency in effect came in and wanted to know what they could and couldn't do," Cheney said. "And they talked to me, as well as others, to explain what they wanted to do. And I supported it."
He added: "It's been a remarkably successful effort, and I think the results speak for themselves."
ABC asked him if in hindsight he thought the tactics went too far. "I don't," he said.
Evidence that President Bush himself was aware of and approved of the illegal tactics was revealed by the man himself. - Reply to this comment
- by imprisonrove July 13, 2009 7:54 AM PDT: "BTW, if Diick's program was sooooo effective, where's the proof? Where are all the terrorists it "uncovered" -- ???????"
I have to agree.
If Bush, Cheney, & PNAC, LLP's methods reflected so much talent and ability, then:
1) Why have we lost 4100 and counting in Iraq?
2) Why aren't Iraq and Afghanistan two shining examples of peaceful coexistence?
3) Why is Osama bin Laden still free?
4) Why does al Qaeda still exist?
5) Why is so much of our military's equipment worn out?
The proof is in the puddin', they say...but it was the American People - and, specifically, our military - that Bush, Cheney, & PNAC, LLP were puddin'. - Reply to this comment
- I can understand perfectly the desire to avoid involving a body of self serving political hacks. I also understand that you can't fight a war and at the same time 'investigate' every enemy death as it were a crime or extend 'civil rights' to enemy prisoners. America has become a country of fools.
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- Admit it...you are a big Pelosi fan. It's okay!
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- Hmmm. The last attack on US soil was when? I forgot.
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- Uh no. We spent a lot of time cleaning up his messes, though.
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- more silliness!
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- What of the Afghan shiek that worked for the CIA and the 2,000 or so prisoners he killed? Was this part of the Bush/Cheney plan too? He was being paid by the CIA, and one might assume that a shiek isn't in the prisoner-taking business, so what is the answer? Did this shiek kill thousands of people for the CIA and the White House?
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