Comments on: Health Care Reform Enters Critical Phase

As Obama Promotes His Plan, CBSNews.com Examines The Status Of The Health Care Debate In Washington

[CPelzar]

Scaremongers emphasize the waits for specialists in Canada, and there?s some truth to the stories. After the stroke, Ms. Tucker needed to make a routine appointment with a neurologist and an ophthalmologist to see if she should drive again. Initially, those appointments would have meant a two- or three-month wait, although in the end she managed to arrange them more quickly.

AMERICA NEEDS SINGLE PAYER UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS

STOP VOTING AGAINST YOUR OWN SELF INTEREST, STOP VOTING TO MAKE THE

WALL STREET WEALTH EVEN RICHER, STOP BEING SCARED,
Posted by mcintoshlou at 9:41 AM : Jun 11, 2009

Dianne Tucker pay an average of 3 times more in marginal income taxes in Canada and pays an average of 5-6% more ins sales taxes on everything she buys.

She pays the same in Canada for her healthcare, just pays a different way.

[bajajohn1]

cPelzer: got you, so basically your good numbers will reflect a different outflow under variable household expenses.

[CPelzar]

Canada on average pays 40% income taxes. They have a GST or Valued added tax that pushes sales taxes in most provinces from 12% to almost 14%.


So you are actually paying for nationalized healthcare just another way. Nothing is for free.

[bajajohn1]

Lesser awards for malpractice sound great unless you or one of your family members is the victim. The only ones to benefit from lesser awards are the liability insurance carriers. They, of course, buy politicians like George Bush and John Cornyn routinely.

[CPelzar]

CPelzer: Where the did you include the spike in fuel prices?
Posted by bajajohn1 at 9:54 AM : Jun 11, 2009

These stats are through 2007, fuel spikes occurred in 2008.

[mcintoshlou]

Has the Obama addressed the issue of lesser awards for malpractice! As in Canada!!!!
Posted by oldestee

I THINK THAT YOU ARE MAKING THIS STUFF UP, YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY SCARED OF ANYTHING NEW.

THE UNITED STATES SHOULD JOIN WITH ALL THE OTHER MODERN COUNTRIES

LEAVE THE DARK (BUS/CHENEY) AGES BEHIND AND OBTAIN WHATS RIGHT,


SINGLE PAYER UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICAN'S

AMAZING TO SEE SO MANY KARL ROVE REPUBLICANS,

AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OF REPUBLICAN LIES.

STILL VOTING AGAINST THEIR OWN SELF INTEREST

[bajajohn1]

CPelzer: Where the did you include the spike in fuel prices?

[CPelzar]

Bureau Of Labor Statistics 2006-2007
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Number of consumer
units (000?s) 120,171

Income before taxes $63,091

Average age of
reference person 48.8

Average number in
consumer unit:
Persons 2.5
Earners 1.3
Vehicles 1.9
Percent homeowner 67

Average annual
expenditures $49,638 2005 to 2007 increased 6.9%
Food $ 6,133 2005 to 2007 increased 3.4%
At home $3,465 2005 to 2007 increased 5.0%
Away from home $2,668 2005 to 2007 increased 1.3%
Housing $16,920 2005 to 2007 increased 11.3%
Apparel and services $1,881 2005 to 2007 increased -0.2%
Transportation $ 8,758 2005 to 2007 increased 4.9%
Health care $2,853 2005 to 2007 increased 6.9%
Entertainment $ 2,698 2005 to 2007 increased 12.9%
Personal insurance
and pensions $5,336 2005 to 2007 increased 2.6%
Other expenditures $ 5,060 2005 to 2007 increased 5%

It is interesting to note the costs % changes between 2005 to 2007.

Housing cost was increased against household incomes 11.3% increase
Entertainment was increased against household incomes 12.9% increase

[bajajohn1]

$1,000,000,000,000 [one trillion] / 10 = $ 100,000,000,000 [one-hundred billion] per year for ten years. Are there enough zeros here? Seems like the stimulus package and Bush's non-accountable Tarp cost more.

[mcintoshlou]

All federal employees should pay a share of their healthcare just as industry now requires employee contributions for healthcare.
Posted by ffrecster at 9:05 AM : Jun 11, 2009
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Federal Employees do pay for their health care insurance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by oldestee

THIS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE IS ALSO EXACTLY WHAT YOUR SENATOR GETS,

THE SAME GUY THAT SAYS YOU DO NOT NEED A HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

[oldestee]

Oh, you're right. ObamaCare will be cheap! It will be free!
Just like it is in Canada, England, Sweden, and all those other countries with Nationalized care they can't pay for and are rationing care.
Posted by hawksprings

Good lord, the sky is falling in Hawksprings world!!! I would like to point out that in poll after poll both Britons and Canadians are happier overall with their healthcare than their American counterparts are with our system. Of course, maybe the pollsters here are polling the 47 million without coverage.
Posted by omega39-2009 at 8:51 AM : Jun 11, 2009
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Take a poll of the healthy and they are "happy with their healthcare!!!!! Take a poll of those paying little or no tax and they are happy with the tax system!!!!!!!! Take a poll of those that break the 10th commandment and they will say Joe or Jane makes or has to much!!!!!!!!!

[mcintoshlou]

Has the Obama addressed the issue of lesser awards for malpractice! As in Canada!!!!
Posted by oldestee

I THINK THAT YOU ARE MAKING THIS STUFF UP, YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY SCARED OF ANYTHING NEW.

THE UNITED STATES SHOULD JOIN WITH ALL THE OTHER MODERN COUNTRIES

LEAVE THE DARK (BUS/CHENEY) AGES BEHIND AND OBTAIN WHATS RIGHT,


SINGLE PAYER UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICAN'S

AMAZING TO SEE SO MANY KARL ROVE REPUBLICANS,

AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OF REPUBLICAN LIES.

STILL VOTING AGAINST THEIR OWN SELF INTEREST

[oldestee]

All federal employees should pay a share of their healthcare just as industry now requires employee contributions for healthcare.
Posted by ffrecster at 9:05 AM : Jun 11, 2009
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Federal Employees do pay for their health care insurance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mcintoshlou]

Diane Tucker, 59, is an American lawyer who moved to Vancouver, Canada, in 2006. Like everyone else there, she now pays the equivalent of just $49 a month for health care.

Then one day two years ago, Ms. Tucker was working on her office computer when she noticed that she was having trouble typing with her right hand.

?I realized my hand was numb, so I tried to stand up to shake it out,? she remembered. ?But I had trouble standing.?

A colleague called 911, and an ambulance rushed her to the nearest hospital.

?An emergency room doctor met me at the door, and they took me straight upstairs to the CT scan,? she recalled. A neurologist explained that she had suffered a stroke.

Ms. Tucker spent a week at the hospital. ?The doctors were great, although there were also a couple of jerks,? she said. ?The nursing staff was wonderful.?

Still, there were two patients to a room, and conditions weren?t as opulent as at some American hospitals. ?The food was horrible,? she said.

Then again, the price was right. ?They never spoke to me about money,? she said. ?Not when I checked in, and not when I left.?

Scaremongers emphasize the waits for specialists in Canada, and there?s some truth to the stories. After the stroke, Ms. Tucker needed to make a routine appointment with a neurologist and an ophthalmologist to see if she should drive again. Initially, those appointments would have meant a two- or three-month wait, although in the end she managed to arrange them more quickly.

AMERICA NEEDS SINGLE PAYER UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS

STOP VOTING AGAINST YOUR OWN SELF INTEREST, STOP VOTING TO MAKE THE

WALL STREET WEALTH EVEN RICHER, STOP BEING SCARED,

[oldestee]

The people of Canada, by a WIDE margin, say they wouldn't trade their health care system for our old broken down system
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Poll taken of the healthy people that do not have cancer or need joint replacement!!!!!!!
"Remember the Canadian Medical Association Journal study that determined that over 87,000 patients in Canada suffer an adverse event and as many as 24,000 people die each year due to medical errors? That's more than 100,000 potential malpractice claims in Canada every year!
But between 2002 and 2006 the C.M.P.A. reports only 5246 lawsuits were filed against doctors in Canada: only about a 1000 claims per year.
In other words, out of 100,000 potential claims 99% of potential medical malpractice victims never even filed a claim!
The C.M.P.A. reports it's success rate in defending claims brought against doctors. More than 3800 of the 5000 claims were dismissed or abandoned because the victim or his or her family quit or ran out of money, or died before trial."
Has the Obama addressed the issue of lesser awards for malpractice! As in Canada!!!!

[troutfishyman]

troutfishy,
If you pay $100 a month then you must be in a depressed area. But don't fear, if Obama gets this mess through congress it will double with no results. This needs to be done by a independent group of people with some knowledge of what they are doing. Sorry, Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Barney and Obama do not by any means pass the knowledge test. They only know how to spend and keep loading, they have no idea that somebody has to pull the wagon.
Posted by specialty8


I actually live in a fairly affluent area. And I trust Obama WAY more than I do the private insurance companies to develop an equitable solution.

[troutfishyman]

NO! We already locked the gates :)
Posted by troutfishyman at 9:30 AM : Jun 11, 2009
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don't worry I'm not that conservative, I just don't see how we will pay for this in a way that is fair to everyone. I agree the current system is broken but I don't think this is the answer.
Posted by anti-global2



Guess I will just have to respectively disagree. The problem will not magically go away.

[hawksprings]

by troutfishyman
"When I started working 30 years ago, I had great health insurance. I could go to any doctor, there was no copay, and no deductible. Over the years, I have watched my costs go up and the coverage go down. Clearly we can't continue on the present course. The system is broken .... the time for action is now."


I agree, but turning it all over to the Government?
That's NOT the answer.

[specialty8]

troutfishy,
If you pay $100 a month then you must be in a depressed area. But don't fear, if Obama gets this mess through congress it will double with no results. This needs to be done by a independent group of people with some knowledge of what they are doing. Sorry, Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Barney and Obama do not by any means pass the knowledge test. They only know how to spend and keep loading, they have no idea that somebody has to pull the wagon.

[anti-global2]

NO! We already locked the gates :)
Posted by troutfishyman at 9:30 AM : Jun 11, 2009
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don't worry I'm not that conservative, I just don't see how we will pay for this in a way that is fair to everyone. I agree the current system is broken but I don't think this is the answer.