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Alleged Sept. 11 Mastermind Waterboarded 183 Times; Obama To Speak At CIA

[EJStnns]

ST. I would need you to name one such person first.

[EJStnns]

The bush family was responsible for WW2 and the holocast. My Gawd, now I've heard everything. what a lunatic.

[searingtruth]

"I could care less if a terrorist that killed americans died during interrogation. why don't you care about american lives instead of the enemy?"
EJStnns


Fellow citizen, I'm curious.

What makes you think that an anonymous citizen illegally abducted and indefinitely incarcerated in a secret prison without charge or representation, where they are subject to institutionalized torture and murder, is a terrorist, or guilty of any crime?

Millions of Americans have fought and died to protect us from such egregious violations of logic, and humanity.
ST


"I knew they were guilty, because I had been told so."
SearingTruth

A Future of the Brave

[EJStnns]

ST: I'm not saying that past crimes excuse present crimes. I'm saying that certain things HAVE to be done in warfare, it's not pretty, it's not christian but they have to be done. anyone that does not accept this does not understand the nature of war. war brings out the worst in human beings, but once you're commited to defeating the enemy all cards are on the table.

The Colonial army used to tar and feather british soldiers, this was also condsidered torture at the time.

[coop29]

nofooling typed:

"We'd have to teach all about how the President of the United States lied 962 times publicly to drag us into an unneeded war for bloodmoney profits."

and we got rid of a dictator who killed over one million people, who used chem/bio weapons on his own and another country and we are now killing the sworn enemies of freedom and its protector, the US. Oh yeah, and the entire Senate, who had all the same intel, backed up the administration by VOTING to go to war. How many times did they lie?

"We'd have to teach them all about how Roosevelt knew 12 days in advance of the Pearl Harbor invasion and ordered the radar installations dismantled at Pearl (as reported several times on the history channel)."

...history channel? Are you serious? Try some books instead of a sensationalist anti-history source. The radar installations worked very well - but not well enough to sort out the returning B-17's from the Japanese attack formations. Add some Sunday morning peacetime complacency and there you go. Now Roosevelt may have known the Japanese were planning an attack (we broke a portion of their code), but the timing was unknown as was the position of the Japanese fleet. No satellites in those days.

"We'd have to report about the faked "Bay of Tonkin" incident which was used to drag us into the Vietnam war, another war for profit."

My dad was in the Gulf of Tonkin - it really happened, but was a very overblown incident that folks with a cooler head than Johnson might have seen clearly. It was not profit, it was anti-communism. Perhaps you did not live then?

"And we'd have to teach everyone all about how the evidence in both the Oklahoma City bombing and 911 point to inside jobs carried out by black -ops teams working with the FBI and the CIA. Or maybe they finally found the missing 757 airliner that supposedly hit the pentagon?"

Well, you just identified yourself as a nut case my friend. They did find the plane, blown to almost dust by a full load of fuel hitting a very solid building at high speed. A good friend of mine, a civilian, died at his desk that day....and they found pieces of the plane in what was left of his office. The families of the dead know where the plane is.

Timothy McVeh was a very dangerous nutcase...and just smart enough to combine some easily purchased chemicals to kill innocent women and children...kind of like the other terrorists. The army got rid of him because he was a nutcase.

"Its all lies, its all about war for profit, and its always about war for profit. And most of you have bought into the whole bloody money making history of this country."

uh...so why does everyone slam Bush for starting the deficit? If it was for profit, why is nobody profiting? How come we never get any land, or gold or anything that other countries always get when they fight wars? Heck, we don't even control any of the Iraqi oil! We really have to get better at this.

"We shoulda listened to Eisenhower when he tried to warn us of the military industrial complex and the bankers and money men taking control of our world."

We did listen. The pct of GDP that is defense spending has declined for years until now it is at its lowest level since before WW2. Problem is, folks keep trying to kill us.

Look out the window nofooling, the black helicopters are coming for you...I hope.

[nofoolling]

"This is a time for reflection, not retribution. I respect the strong views and emotions that these issues evoke. We have been through a dark and painful chapter in our history. But at a time of great challenges and disturbing disunity, nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past."

What a crock. The only way to restore the American dignity and trust worldwide is to bring the entire Bush/Cheney crime syndicate to justice. Anything less will only add fuel to the fire started by those madmen in pursuit of riches for their henchman cronies.

You're wrong Mr. President, or you've decided to join up with the evil folks that brought this terrible shame of genocide and torturous actions upon us.

Obama is selling out the world's chance for justice. Prolly bought and paid for by the same folks that backed the ruthless genocidal killers previously occupying the white house.

Over a million humans are dead, Mr President. My geuss is they'd really appreciate someone seeking justice for them.

How many more have to die in this bloodmoney making genocidal scheme known as the War on Terror?

[TheMasses01]

A number of the "interrogatees" DIED! Lets start with how THAT happened.
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They innocently slipped in the shower.

[searingtruth]

"ST: Wasn't incarcerating the japanese in WW2 against our principles and what we stood for? we took them from their homes, their families, gave their land and business's to others all in the name of national security. I am sure we interrogated some of them in secret facilities. I would like to see an American president in todays world try that with muslims living in this land. after the war if FDR lived, there would have been no talk what so ever about war crimes and the like. Your statemnt doesn't hold water."
EJStnns


Fellow citizen, past crimes to not excuse present ones.

But in any case, this question has oft been posed to me, as well as those of known crimes by other Presidents, such as Abraham Lincoln.

And my answer to all of them has always been the same.

Any President who violated our Constitution should have been impeached and brought to justice.

And if it had been so, then perhaps we would not be faced with the egregious betrayal of the American people and our Constitution that we are today.

Permitting injustice does not engender the rule of law, no matter what its reasoning or excuse.
ST


"The answer is simple.

Let each hold the other to an equal standard."
SearingTruth

A Future of the Brave

[EJStnns]

I could care less if a terrorist that killed americans died during interrogation. why don't you care about american lives instead of the enemy?

[EJStnns]

nofoolling: I have an answer to the war/blood money argument. we should just do as the Roman Empire did, collect tribute from various nations around the globe. If all we do is spew lies to create wars then we should just tell the nations that we may go to war with to pay us and if it's enough then we won't attack! Simple.