Comments on: Dems In Congress Wary Of Overreaching

Pelosi Vows To Govern From The Middle Despite Democratic Control Of House, Senate And Presidency

[samthetvcat]

---"Which is why Obama is a good choice. His demeanor is one of quiet reassurance. And, I do believe that he will be able to calm the nation in a way that McCain could not."---
Posted by tuckerndfw

Okay, just summarizing the thrust of your posts, it''s sounding like what you''ve really been saying is that bipartisanship to you means that Repubs need to get in line and all get on board with the Obama ship and then everything''ll be great - Repubs are divisive.

I mean you maybe didn''t mean to say that but in terms of how you think people ought to be acting right now, you don''t really don''t want the Dems to have to bother with competition in the marketplace of ideas (?)

[samthetvcat]

---"Discussing policy differences is productive, discussing ideological differences is not"---
Posted by tuckerndfw

You know what Congress didn''t do much of during the bailout was listen . . . I think what people don''t like about Government are those tactics of like adding ''sweeteners'' to push something through rather than listening, thinking, problem-solving.

And it''s probably not government involvement in healthcare that''s going to get people upset, but rather an inefficiently run government involvement . . .

I guess maybe what we''re both trying to say is that it''s not the left versus right contrast that troubles the electorate nearly as much as the government versus the people contrast - like I guess it''s more accurate to say we all just want the government to be a little more relevant to our lives, more productive, more efficient, less costly (?)

[erasmus81]

Posted by tuckerndfw at 02:36 AM : Nov 07, 2008

The one thing I''ve noticed in the almost 2 years I have been reading comments on here, is the absolute HATRED for the "Republicans" and the "Democrats". People are OBSESSED with politics. I don''t see that here. I have asked several people if they talk about politics while they are having s-e-x.:) And something else, but we won''t mention that one.

[samthetvcat]

You know what Dems maybe need to do is just get the job done - if most people think they''re better off for having voted Dem in 2008, then they''ll likely vote Dem again in 2010. If people don''t think they''re better off, then they''re going to start analyzing why not and if they perceive it to be the incumbent''s fault, then maybe they''ll be more open to giving the GOP another chance if they''ve done a better job of proving themselves . . .

I think too much is being made of ideology and not enough is being made of merit . . .

[samthetvcat]

---"The problem for Congress is that we as a nation are divided"---
Posted by tuckerndfw

I''m interested to see how much longer Dems are going to be able to get away with blaming Bush, because conciliation at its root is fundamentally about understanding of differences and RESPECT for those who don''t think the same.

I just don''t see that in ''spread the wealth'', ''Fox are haters'' - implicit in that is judgment, and when it comes from above from people who are supposed to represent the entire nation, it becomes an abuse of power.

Nancy Pelosi''s not as antagonistic as Bush with his ''us against them'' philosophy in that she''s willing to compromise to get things done, but the lack of respect that I saw evidenced in her diatribe right before the bailout failed to me doesn''t indicate tolerance at any level of depth.

Bill Clinton annoyed the Right with his extra-curricular activities, and Hillary was polarizing, but he himself was an exceptionally tolerant person - he was as comfortable in the rural deep south as he was with the Washington Establishment, with high-school dropouts as fellow Rhodes Scholars. I don''t know that there''s anybody at the upper Dem levels who''s like that (?)

[erasmus81]

It is a huge mess that is beyond any politician''''s ability to fix. The fixing is up to us, we, the people.

Posted by tuckerndfw at 01:55 AM : Nov 07, 2008

I agree. The problem is getting the people off their butts to do something. They have felt "hopeless", I think. Maybe now things will change. They now have a President who will "listen".

[samthetvcat]

---"*BIG SMILE & SERIOUS LOOK FOR THE CAMERA* Makes me want to puke. A bi-partisan puke. . ."---
Posted by tuckerndfw

ROTFL ha ha ha omg that''s so funny :D

I just read somewhere else that Congress'' approval ratings are worse than Bush''s - like WOW!

I don''t know what they can do to turn it around - maybe they should just take what they can while the gettin''s good and call it a day because that''s an awfully huge hole for them to be digging out of . . .

[erasmus81]

No one is going to take their bibles & guns away from them.

Posted by tuckerndfw at 12:29 AM : Nov 07, 2008

You mean all the gun lovers carry bibles too?

[samthetvcat]

You could play a drinking game with the number of times partisan politicians claim their all about bipartisanship. They''re not off to a good start if all they are doing is paying lip service to the concept rather than citing the positions of the right and the left and how they foresee reconciling those two to move the ball forward . . .

Remember how Nancy Pelosi kept talking about ''bipartisanship'' during the bailout, and right at the end she just couldn''t help herself from getting her digs in and the whole thing fell apart? I''m not sure Reid/Pelosi/Barack really have it in them to be bipartisan on their own without being forced into it through actual GOP representation.

If not, it really would be a waste for them to be so hesitant to act when they had the chance that only comes around once every two decades . . .

[erasmus81]

You aren''t going to read my other comments?

[erasmus81]

The gun lobby has as much clout in the Dem party as in the Repub party and gun nuts have nothing to worry about. No one is going to take their bibles & guns away from them.

Posted by tuckerndfw at 12:29 AM : Nov 07, 2008

I know the gun nuts have nothing to worry about. Obama has told them they have nothing to worry about. He has no intentions of taking them away. BUT, I don''t think they believe him. They are all paranoid.

[erasmus81]

See how easy that it?

Posted by tuckerndfw at 12:26 AM : Nov 07, 2008

Yes, you''re very good.:)

[erasmus81]

"You have to bring people together to reach consensus on solutions that are sustainable and acceptable to the American people."

I think Obama can bring the people together.

I don''t know about the gun nuts though.

[erasmus81]

Pelosi is Catholic. Catholics do not read the bible. She was probably repeating something her priest said while he was molesting one of her kids.

Posted by tuckerndfw at 11:19 PM : Nov 06, 2008

You are sooooooo baaaaaad.

[smirk5]

I wonder when McCain will visit his "soul-mate" Sarah Palin again in the future. After all, he actively consulted her advice when it came to foreign policy if he is to be believed.

[txgrouch2007]

Two years ago Pelosi promised that the Dems would "put the brakes" on Bush. They didn''''t. Therefore, NOTHING she says holds any credibility with me.
Posted by CitizenUSA at 05:28 PM : Nov 06, 2008

In one speech, Pelosi INVENTED A VERSE FROM THE BIBLE. Just totally made it up. And used it to prove her point. Incredible. Did she think no one would notice? Or, in Clinton style, did she NOT CARE that everyone would know she was lying? ABOUT THE BIBLE???

Obviously she lacks the slightest trace of integrity.

[txgrouch2007]

I suspect, someone will place a gag on Pelosi before too long as she tries to be the face of the Democratic Party..... Oh yeah, there is a Democratic President. Is there enough room for all those egos in the same room?
Posted by donbl1 at 10:33 PM : Nov 06, 2008

Snicker! Already the absolute power of Democrats starts to unravel them...

Will Pelosi disappear in the middle of the night like DeLay did, only to phone in from A THOUSAND MILES AWAY and pretend she went on a hunting trip? WITHOUT A HUNTING LICENSE???

Maybe she and Hillary will throw back some shots with beer chasers and go duck hunting. I heard Hillary SHOT A DUCK.

[donbl1]

Nancy Pelosi is a ticking time bomb.

This could end like 1994 or it could be something.

I suspect, someone will place a gag on Pelosi before too long as she tries to be the face of the Democratic Party..... Oh yeah, there is a Democratic President. Is there enough room for all those egos in the same room?

[txgrouch2007]

There are too many inconsistentcies and contradictions in both the visual evidence
Posted by sincity_q at 09:17 PM : Nov 06, 2008

What are the contradictions in the visual evidence? I''ve read two different accounts.

I take special interest in this, because I saw the person who supposedly flew into the Pentagon. I flew in the same trainer plane he did with the same instructor. I even discussed his flying skills with the instructor.

For example, did he hit from above or from the side? Either approach would be plausible and on par with his flying skill level.

[cdfoxtrot5]

Interesting. The CBS censors seem to think that "gay_s" is a naughty word, but not the word gay.