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- "Nearly 40% of our people do not work!!!
Posted by Machineguy at 04:09 PM : Oct 30, 2008"
Where do you get that number UNLESS you are including children?
I read somewhere that 40% are not paying taxes, but that''s because their incomes are so low that there is almost nothing to tax. These incomes are kept so low in order to make goods less expensive, so even though they are not paying taxes, they are doing a service to us all by not paying taxes. - Reply to this comment
- I dont mind increasing my taxes if our country gets more in return. But giving handouts to "the people" will idle many of the borderline workers and reduce the number of people helping make our country great.
5. It seems contradictory to "stop givng tax breaks to companies that send jobs overseas" and then to raise taxes on the ones that stay here.
Posted by Machineguy at 03:44 PM : Oct 30, 2008
Putting more money into the hands of middle class consumers is guaranteed to keep the economy moving, as opposed to the wealthy who can hang on to their money or hide it or ship jobs overseas.
He''s against raising taxes on companies that make an effort to keep jobs here.
Believe me when I say that I am not your enemy or un-American. I am just another American worker who wants to see the best for my country. We can agree to disagree on how that''s done, but it seems that FDR was able to do the same during the Great Depression with the New Deal. I think we may need a New Deal redux. - Reply to this comment
- Posted by ofbyfor3 at 04:01 PM : Oct 30, 2008
Many of us have trouble with "spread the wealth" for three reasons:
1. There isnt enough to go around if we spread it perfectly even. i kow the rich guys have a lot, but there arent enough of them to pay for it all.
2 Worse, who will modernize and update our factories if each of us has, say $70k?
3. A large portion of able bodied Americans will not work if the eat anyway. The examples are boundless and span all classes. So, if we spread the wealth, even more people arelikely to stop helping those of us who do work.
4. If we all get the same amount (or close to it) smart people will sell ideas to foreigners so they can make money somewhere else. - Reply to this comment
- Machineguy & ofbyfor3
Very Good....One thing is talked about, but never really looked at is why are american buisness going overseas? You only have to look at how you run your own household to figure it out. Do you go to the convience store at the corner to buy your weekly groceries? No, you go to the larger grocery store, because they are cheaper. Near me, that means a super Walmart. The prices there are significanly less than the other chain grocery stores near me.
why pay more if i dont have to? Same with gas...right?
Buisness are doing the same thing. America has the 2nd highest corp tax rate in the world! Of course many buisnesses are expanding overseas. There is no incentive to stay here. Obama wants to whack them with a penalty if they move jobs offshore and a tax credit if they stay here. Rather inverse logic from the man who says they need to pay more to spread the wealth.
If a tax break is a good way to get them to stay, WHY RAISE TAXES IN THE FIRST PLACE??? - Reply to this comment
- according to his plan, I should qualify for whatever it is he is planning to hand out. What exactly should I expect to receive? Should the governemt "give" me $10,000 ? $25,000 ?
What about the woman at the end of my street, she is a divorced mom with the youngest of her 2 kids in his 2nd year of college. She is a manager at Walmart. Should she get $35,000? $50,000?
Will that money Obama hands out be taxed? Remember now, this money is a tax!
do you see where my concerns lie?
Posted by Mike_C_NH at 03:39 PM : Oct 30, 2008
I''m sorry, but I have NO idea where you are getting these numbers from. I would also like to carry on our conversation, so could you cite a source for them, because I haven''t seen anything that resembles what you are referring to here. Thanks. - Reply to this comment
- Yes, the last eight years have created a big mess. Senator Obama is well aware of the mess. A President needs to know what the issues are, know how to negotiate and find quality people to work with and beside him with the skill sets needed in each particular area. When I look at the candidates, Senator Obama has all of those qualities while Senator McCain does not. With Senator Obama there seems to be hope again. America needs that.
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- What makes any of his campaign pledges any more real than that pledge on campaign funding ?
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Posted by Mike_C_NH
What bothers me much more than the campaign "pledge" which was a stupid thing to say... he never should have agreed to it...) is the hypocrisy of those who supported Republican candidates who did not take public funding and outspent Democratic candidates by excessive amounts. THEN it was okay to overspend. NOW it''s a horrible abuse.
I frankly don''t care if he went back on his word if it is what he needed to do to get his message out. It''s no basis for not voting for the better candidate. Show me where he did something truly unethical (oh, let''s say like violated state ethics laws?) and I''ll rethink my vote. - Reply to this comment
- Agreed, and I appreciate people with different points of view having a dialogue.
I would like to ask what you would suggest--seriously. And thanks again for your civil and thoughtful post.
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Posted by ofbyfor3 at 04:01 PM : Oct 30, 2008
We need to find a way to serve our people AND our factories. Handouts to either are only bandaids. "Give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish." Playing with the tax structure is just another contorversial bandaid. The GOP says reduce taxes for coroporations so we can bring jobs back to the US. The dems say reduce taxes on the "middle class" so they can afford to eat. Neither is a solution.
I think we need to find a way to bring better jobs to more people. Nearly 40% of our people do not work!!! When we do work, we have built in all kinds of "kludges" for safety and environmental controls. Lets make the factories safe by design, not by repair. This will lower our costs but who will pay for that?
More but I am at word limits - Reply to this comment
- Posted by ofbyfor3
You do have to agree that this foolish court decision stating that park bench in OH is a viable address is just setting this whole thing up for a disaster of litegation.
Posted by Mike_C_NH at 04:02 PM : Oct 30, 2008
I live in Ohio,........and we do some stupid things around here, but this is about the stupidist I''ve ever heard off.
Now that a park bench can have an address, will they start making them pay property taxes? - Reply to this comment
- New poll: Obama 47 to McCain 44, the gap is closing just like I thought it would. I''''ve been expecting to see the voters move toward McCain during the last days of the election. People have finally wised up. Looks like Obsama is going to left on the ash heap of American politics.
That''s right, hold on to that dream until Nov. 4.
LOL!!!!! - Reply to this comment
- New poll: Obama 47 to McCain 44, the gap is closing just like I thought it would. I''ve been expecting to see the voters move toward McCain during the last days of the election. People have finally wised up. Looks like Obsama is going to left on the ash heap of American politics.
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- The SCOTUS have already declared poll taxes to be unconstitutional. Perhaps we should institute a ''''cut-and-paste tax'''' instead. What do you think of that?
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Posted by ofbyfor3
You do have to agree that this foolish court decision stating that park bench in OH is a viable address is just setting this whole thing up for a disaster of litegation. - Reply to this comment
- McCain could have used his own money or accepted party donations. But HE is too honorable to say one thing and do another. Maybe you dont understand.
Posted by Machineguy at 03:48 PM : Oct 30, 2008
McCain was once an honorable vet - but has lost that honor during his race baiting and lying campaign this year!!!! I don''''t mind people changing their minds - I do mind McCain losing his and fighting a dirty and ugly campaign!!!
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Posted by melnycgirl-1 at 03:55 PM : Oct 30, 2008
I dont think we have any basis for further discussion. Your not objective when you talk about McCain lying and Obama not. And I will not continue. Bye - Reply to this comment
- Thanks for a rational and provoking post. Hers my thoughts.
1. I think "the rich" should pay more in taxes than the rest. But there is a limit to how far we can go and no one is sure where that limit is. If it gets too high "the rich" move to Costa Rica and take their money with them.
2. There isnt enough money in the whole world, let alone just Americas rich to fix all our ills. And there will be even less if we drive out what we have now.
3. Its obvious we are driving it out. Many of our businesses are failing and foreign companies taking over (Toyota is the latest).
More to follow.
Posted by Machineguy at 03:38 PM : Oct 30, 2008
Agreed, and I appreciate people with different points of view having a dialogue.
I would like to ask what you would suggest--seriously. And thanks again for your civil and thoughtful post. - Reply to this comment
- McCain could have used his own money or accepted party donations. But HE is too honorable to say one thing and do another. Maybe you dont understand.
Posted by Machineguy at 03:48 PM : Oct 30, 2008
McCain was once an honorable vet - but has lost that honor during his race baiting and lying campaign this year!!!! I don''''t mind people changing their minds - I do mind McCain losing his and fighting a dirty and ugly campaign!!!
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Posted by melnycgirl-1
Perhaps you have heard of McCain-Feingold? I explained this to you testerday, but you are still cut & pasting the exact same foolish thing...over & over....
You seem fixated on the idea that Obama didnt sign some agreement...do you undertstand the concept of a verbal agreement? And as the poster before stated, Did you get a signed piece of paper last night?
What makes any of his campaign pledges any more real than that pledge on campaign funding ? - Reply to this comment
- whatithink10: 3. Toyota is taking over because of poor decisions on the part of our corporations. ....
machineguy59: That idea that we lose business because manufacturers make bad products is false. We have lost electronics, steel, clothing, automobiles, and soon computers to foreign companies. Usually we lose because of price. Consider the Saturn auto as an example of our efforts that failed due to price. - Reply to this comment
- whatithink10: 1. If your concern is that the rich will move abroad if they pay the same in taxes that they did under Clinton, whose loyalty should you be questioning?
Machineguy59: No, I dont think they will move if we stop there. Certainly not in mass numbers. My question was more "how far can we go?" We are already at pretty high proportions (I am not rich and pay nearly 50% some years.
whatithink10: 2. We will not be able to fix everything, but does that mean we shouldn''''t try to fix anything? We''''ve cut the taxes to the rich and now we have a deficit where we are paying $600B to foreign entities in INTEREST ONLY. $600B in interest because somebody didn''''t want to pay what they did under ClINTON at the same time our policies have created a system where they get tax breaks PLUS a wealth redistribution from the middle class/poor to the rich (1982 wage gap of 42 vs. 2004 wage gap of 431).
machineguy59: Absolutely we need to fix our country. The argument seems to be how best to do that. Giving money to either group isnt goign to fix anything except how they each play the game. That whole wealth redistribution needs to be a discussion of its own. I dont have "too much" trouble with raising taxes but I definitely object to raising taxes and then giving away money. - Reply to this comment
- It may be time to reconsider a POLL TAX to pay for and eliminate all the abuse.
They should be raising hell because of the expense this abuse is causing.
ACCORN is a Democratic organized crime syndicate.
Posted by doctor--cool at 03:32 PM : Oct 30, 2008
The SCOTUS have already declared poll taxes to be unconstitutional. Perhaps we should institute a ''cut-and-paste tax'' instead. What do you think of that? - Reply to this comment
- Posted by kimcon22000 at 03:39 PM : Oct 30, 2008
There are some times in my life when I feel things very deeply in my soul.
1. Getting out of the military in 2000 right after Bush was "selected" to be president because I thought he was a war monger and puppet for the neocons and their goal of using our government for the benefit of a small group of people. That including, patriotism as a marketing tool.
2. Selling my grandparent''s home in 2005 because I thought irrational exuberance had taken over the housing market.
3. Deeply thinking that another 4 years of the GOP and their goal of dividing us to get what they want at the expense of us will bring down this country AND a strong feeling that Obama does really want to do the right thing. - Reply to this comment
- I''''m sorry about your dad too.
But you make it difficult to empathize/sympathize when you throw politics in with that.
My old man''''s 84 so we''''re getting there too.
Posted by kimcon22000 at 03:20 PM : Oct 30, 2008
We''re all talking politics here, so excuse me if I''m wondering if your sympathy isn''t for real. However, if it is, why should I not talk about politics since that is the topic of this board? If it is for real, thank you. - Reply to this comment
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