Comments on: McCain: Obama Tried To Legislate Iraq Loss

At Veterans Conventions, GOP Candidate Criticizes Democrat's Opposition To The Surge

[misha128-2009]

RosieOD - when Bush god funding from Congress to support the surge he agreed to the 18 benchmarks in the legislation that came before the Surge officially started according to the administration which was the arrival of the last of the surge troops not the date of announcement in January -- review the following U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans'' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act of 2007

[rosieod4prez]

IOWEIGN - I read your article.

I would say that was money well spent.

What is cheaper in your opinion 5.8 billion over several years, or X number of servicemen and women''s lives along with their equipment; not to mention peacefull means are the best anyway.

[verified-cbs]

When will Obama apologize to the troops?

[verified-cbs]

When will Obama apologize to the troops?

[verified-cbs]

When will Obama apologize to the troops?

[rosieod4prez]

truthmatterz ---- - but not to this liberal idiot.

Misha and Micma - since you seem to be in denial - let''s cover what the President said were the goals, ok:


"In a nationally televised address on January 10, Bush stated %u201CAmerica will change our strategy to help the Iraqis carry out their campaign to put down sectarian violence and bring security to the people of Baghdad. This will require increasing American force levels. So I''ve committed more than 20,000 additional American troops to Iraq. The vast majority of them %u2013 five brigades %u2013 will be deployed to Baghdad%u201D[28]

Immediately following the speech, the Bush administration issued talking points and transcripts about the strategy to communicate the strategy to the public. According to the "Fact Sheet: The New Way Forward in Iraq " issued by the White House,[29] "the President''s New Iraq Strategy Is Rooted In Six Fundamental Elements" as follow:

Let the Iraqis lead;
Help Iraqis protect the population;
Isolate extremists;
Create space for political progress;
Diversify political and economic efforts; and
Situate the strategy in a regional approach. "




I encourage you to discuss the above benchmarks, if you can do so without name calling or changing the truth.


And afterwords - how about you tell us if the ''unoffical'' goals were met too, ok.

[misha128-2009]

verified_CBS Obama needs to apologize for what? Saying the surge did not work -- as outlined in a prior post this is not a rating for the troops and their execution of a mission. It is an evaluation of the ability of the leadership of this country to specify a mission (such as the surge) to achieve the stated goals of the surge. The mission''s execution by the troops succeed and we should respect their efforts and scarifices. Unfortunately the mission failed to address all concerns or lacked the robust planning and coordination necessary to achieve the goals (benchmarks) which is a leadership or management failure on the part of this administration unrelated to the superlative efforts of the troops.

[verified-cbs]

When will Obama apologize to the troops?

[noloyalisti]

Has McSame and McBush told us what we are winning? Is it the oil rights for their corporate masters Exxon, Chevron, Wal-Mart, Halliburton, etc?

Is there ONE good reason to vote for 4 more years of Butch? McSame = McBush = GOP fat cat fascists.

[micma-2009]

RosieOD -- Why do many people believe the surge still has not worked Simple the benchmarks that were to measure the results of the surge are largely still unattained. Effective management requires the setting of goals before initiating the tactic or strategy and the subsequent evaluation of a tactic or strategy based on the attainment of the goals after the fact. For a change the Iraq war finally stated goals before initiating tactics with the surge. Based entirely on the stated goals of the surge that were established before the surge the surge clearly has failed to achieve a majority of those goals. Anyone arguing success on any terms other than the goals established is a Monday morning quarterback moving the goalposts in an attempt to excuse failure. Failure of the tactics to achieve the goals which is the responsibility of those in charge. Not the failure of the troops in any way to carry out the mission (which I might add the troops deserve our respect for their part of the operation). These are two entirely separate matters.


Posted by misha128 at 02:29 PM : Aug 18, 2008
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Exactly!


Well said.