Comments on: Guaranteed Health Care Key To Dem Platform

Democrats Edge Party Closer To Clinton Position, Heading Off Potentially Divisive Debate

[realpatriot1]

standlee5,

Yes, it is expensive. All coverage is expensive and will be until the issues driving up the costs are addressed. That''s why Obama has always said he wants to move toward universal coverage but deal with the cost aspects before going too far. The platform they''ve enacted to placate the hillary faction is the wrong approach, but there''s nothing binding in a platform.

Most of what''s needed to bring the costs down involves regulating industry. I don''t think the single-payer model is going anywhere any time soon, but there is a need for larger purchasing pools for purchasing policies, drugs, med equipment,etc. Ther needs to be greater enforcment of standards on the issuance of certificates of need so that every hospital who wants an MRI or other expensive equipment but doesn''t have the patient population to support it doesn''t jack up overall costs.

Better regulation of and standards for the private industry is a better place to start than fully jumping into a single-payer system before medical inflation is brought under control.

[wellhell3]

Posted by realpatriot1 at 12:45 AM : Aug 10, 2008

It''''s kinda too bad Obscamma krapped all over his own political campaign reform ideas isn''''t it?


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Posted by WellHell3 at 12:56 AM : Aug 10, 2008

And it''s too bad Obscamma bull ***** about lobbyists is a scam, when he has 47 of them on his campaign team, takes bundled money from them, takes scads of individual donations from them thinking people wouldn''t be able to see his scam...

AND has been paid royally for voting for *** Cheney''s Energy Bill, and for supporting the FISA bill by the telecom industry.

But please, continue to honk on about how uncorrupt Obscamma is...it''s kinda hilarious.

[incog-nito]

McCain''s idea of having people buy individual plans will be a complete disaster. Anyone who has to do so will attest to this. My consultant friends gripe about this all the time. Unlike group plans, insurers can and will raise your premiums AT ANY TIME, as often as they want. They will NOT cover pre-existing conditions, even minor ones. A friend with a persistent back problem had to have a rider in his policy stating that they will not cover it. Imagine somebody with more serious problems. They can and will discontinue coverage AT ANY TIME. As bad as the current system is, it''s still better than McCain''s insane idea.

This, and this reason alone, is enough not to vote this man into office.

[wellhell3]

I''''d have to use more than 1500 words to describe the ideas Obama has proposed to do this, but anyone can see by going to his website. McCain whats to attack earmarks, which is good, but has nothing to say about reducing the influence of lobbyists which is what drives the earmarks and the killing of public interest legislation.


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Posted by realpatriot1 at 12:45 AM : Aug 10, 2008

It''s kinda too bad Obscamma krapped all over his own political campaign reform ideas isn''t it?

[standlee5]

McCain''''s plan will leave uninsurable persons to the state pool plans, which are EXTREMELY expensive (more than COBRA).
Posted by txgrouch2006 at 12:45 AM : Aug 10, 2008

we don''t have uninsurable in this state. everyone is insurable but most insurance companies have pre-existing condition three month waiting period. we have state insurace really inexpensive like $40 month for full coverage. I pay $300 month with $2500 deductible. You can imagine what it costs businesses to insure employees. I''d rather have it in wges.

[realpatriot1]

In fairness to McCain it should be noted that he was one of the so-called Keating 5 who were investigated for influence peddling in the S & L debacle,b ut was also 1 of 2 of those Senators who was acquitted of wrongdoing.

Rather than arguing about who is more corrupt it would be more usueful to operate from the perspective that neither of them are saints and look at what each is proposing to make public corruption harder. No one can eliminate political corruption, but the most effective means to reduce it is by shining sunlight on the political process.

I''d have to use more than 1500 words to describe the ideas Obama has proposed to do this, but anyone can see by going to his website. McCain whats to attack earmarks, which is good, but has nothing to say about reducing the influence of lobbyists which is what drives the earmarks and the killing of public interest legislation.

[txgrouch2006]

but McCain''''s plan would allow for you childs coverage. We have a three month waiting period here for pre-exist, state law.
Posted by standlee5 at 12:27 AM : Aug 10, 2008

It was not a pre-existing condition, she is just uninsurable PERMANENTLY. A guaranteed-issue group plan is the only way we can cover her. No group plan, no coverage.

McCain''s plan will leave uninsurable persons to the state pool plans, which are EXTREMELY expensive (more than COBRA).

[wlmrtpatriot]

DemWatcher: That''s one of the funniest and truest statements I''ve read about health care. HaHa this is so true. Hilarious

[standlee5]

The plan being proposed by Obama gives citizens a choice of either continuing with the private plans they already have, but with companies required to offer the same benefits now provided to federal employees(like your Congressional Representative), or to voluntarily opt in to a federal program. Those who opted into the federal program would pay premiums like everyone else, so there wouldn''''t be any handouts.Posted by realpatriot1 at 12:27 AM : Aug 10, 2008


And that in real world, not Obama fantasy world, is astronomically expensive. The MIA dads he said need govt. assistance to help them become better dads.

[standlee5]

McCain is a fiscal conservative and no I''m not going to list all his major Senate accomplishments. He''s got a ton of experience and he has managed to stay pretty clean and respectable for the length of time he''s been there. Also my friend was a lobbyist there not all bad. She worked with Arthritis Foundation.