Comments on: Obama Wrapping Up Overseas Trip In U.K.

Presumptive Democratic Nominee Defends World Tour, Says It Will Help U.S. By Strengthening Ties With Allies

Depends on whether you''''re a defeatest or not. After watching our people jump to keep from burning to death...the bastwards needed to be shown that we''''re not going to put up with it.

And now most of the idiots are dead, and the stragglers are humping back off to Afghanistan to cower in their caves.

And now Iraq take further steps to stabilize itself, we will have apresence in the Middle East to hold back the Iranian Mullahs...

Again, I choose not to be a defeatest.

Posted by WellHell3
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Little newsflash - None of the 9/11 terrorists were Iraqi''s. They came from a lot of places - none of which were Iraq.
And lets see...
Uss Cole? Nope, no Iraqi''s
First attack on the WTC? Nope, no Iraqi''s there either.

Goin'' to war for a barrel of oil and the profits it brings - and selling it as "War on Terror" has got to be one of the greatest sales jobs ever done.

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Howard Stern? Greatness!

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WellHell3:

Yes I am very gullible, what does this make you? And who is the fascist? Also, how about adding a fact or source to all your lame @ss empty rhetoric from time-to-time??

Grover Gets His Wish

Who is Grover Norquist?

In 1999 Grover Norquist was instrumental in securing early support for then Texas Governor George W. Bush, continuing a decades-long association with Karl Rove. ("The Wall Street Journal''s John Fund dubbed him "the Grand Central Station" of conservatism and told The Nation: "It''s not disputable" that Norquist was the key to the Bush campaign''s surprising level of support from movement conservatives in 2000"). After Bush''s election to the White House in 2000, Norquist was the prime architect behind the many Bush tax-cuts.

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The "Wednesday Meeting" of Norquist''s Leave Us Alone Coalition has become an important hub of conservative political organizing. George W. Bush began sending a representative to the Wednesday Meeting even before he formally announced his candidacy for president in 1999. "Now a White House aide attends each week," reported USA Today in June 2001. "Vice President Cheney sends his own representative. So do GOP congressional leaders, right-leaning think tanks, conservative advocacy groups and some like-minded K Street lobbyists. The meeting has been valuable to the White House because it is the political equivalent of one-stop shopping. By making a single pitch, the administration can generate pressure on members of Congress, calls to radio talk shows, and political buzz from dozens of grassroots organizations.

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Grover%u2019s Vision:

An America in which the rich will be taxed at the same rates as the poor, where the minimum wage is repealed, unions are made irrelevant, and law-abiding citizens can pack handguns in every state and town. "My ideal citizen is the self-employed, homeschooling, IRA-owning guy with a concealed-carry permit," says Norquist. "Because that person doesn''t need the godd@mn government for anything."

Norquist is famous for saying, "I don''t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub." His plan is for the federal government to amass massive debt without increasing taxes on the rich, if the federal government is mired in huge debt it can no longer fund social programs of any kind, including social security and medicaid.


Grover%u2019s Conservative Agenda:

At the Conservative Political Action Conference, right-wing activist and anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist urged conservatives not to work to accomplish anything in the current Congress.

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%u201CGet married, develop a hobby, learn to belly dance, learn to golf %u2014 you know, we got two years free, but we gotta spend time and effort playing defense here,%u201D Norquist said. %u201COur job is to say %u2018no, no, no, no%u2019 for two years.%u201D

Norquist predicted, %u201CPeople are gonna go, %u2018oh maybe this bill isn%u2019t as bad as it looks.%u2019%u201D But he warned, %u201D Don%u2019t eat it, don%u2019t swallow it, don%u2019t touch it. Nothing good passes this Congress.%u201D

Transcript:

NORQUIST:Nothing good happens in the next two years out of this Congress. Nothing good.

If you read in the newspaper that there%u2019s a bill with a nice sounding name, and it sounds in the first sentence like the bill is good, you haven%u2019t read the whole bill.

Nothing good happens. They%u2019re not going to cut taxes.

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Because the Democrats are going to be like young men on prom dates %u2014 they%u2019re gonna keep asking the same question of us over and over and over again. And our job is to say %u201Cno, no, no, no%u201D for two years.

Nothing passes in this Congress.

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Then I researched and found out he''''d won his first senate seat by having all his opponents eliminated from the race and ran unopposed with a trumped up scam!


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Posted by WellHell3 at 09:57 PM : Jul 26, 2008--

I hear ya, on the surface that story about Obama''s bid for the senate looked worrisome.

But when George W. Bush said that Iraq had reconstituded his nuclear weapons program or that he had WMD when every intelligence except the British (who is America''s longest running enemy) said he didn''t then I knew that George W. Bush was not just a scam artist but the most dangerous of a scam artist who has contributed to the deaths of so many Americans and so many Iraqis.

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Three Facts That Could Change This Election
(except for the radical, far right, dead-enders like WellHell3 - see 20% gah-gah club)


Here are 3 facts that could not only change the outcome of this election, but with regard to the first two points, they could change the results of every election for years to come *if* we make enough people aware of them.

1) Over 70% of our National Debt was created by just 3 Republican presidents.

2) Real middle class wage growth is double when a Democrat is president compared to when a Republican is president.

3) 90% of Americans would pay less taxes under Obama''s proposed tax plan compared to McCain''s.

Source: Larry M. Bartels professor of politics and public affairs at Princeton University, one of the country''s leading political scientists.

Countless millions of Americans vote Republican because they believe they''ll pay less taxes and that they''ll have their money spent more responsibly. As you can see, those beliefs are directly contradicted by the facts. Of course we can choose to ignore the facts and instead focus on which candidate is wearing a flag pin (you ever notice that McCain doesn''t wear one?

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Whatta crock! You are speaking of the people who revolutionized the country with liberablism in the 50s and 60s...

When are you going to grow up! And quite swallowing propaganda about your country by these idiots!

Most of us that went thru it grew up and realized how good we had it as children in the days when people were real and honest and conservative...not whack job idiot flower children anymore!!!

Get a freaking life!

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taotxzen,

25% of Germans today still feel that Hitler had many positive qualities. Every society has it''''s deadenders.

Posted by Smirk5

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Never saw a Hannity program in my life...and only on Rush Limbaugh program...

Why do you people assume anybody listens to them?


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Posted by WellHell3 at 09:52 PM : Jul 26, 2008--

So where do you derive your views from?

Because what you post sounds just like Hannity.

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RosieOD4Prez:

You have the audacity to slam an American veteran, you can call me anything you want, this man was there looking out for his men. You have no honor or integrety, and your opinion of me is not worth a dogs f@rt.

[whitemale08]

Whitemale08 is a bot spam...

Notice he just posts this ***** and never responds.


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Posted by WellHell3 at 09:40 PM : Jul 26, 2008--

That''s not true, I respond to everybody who responds to me. I even take on people''s posts unsolicited.

I''m not like some junkyard talk show host like Sean Hannity who likes to cut people off. You guys need to quit listening to that clown.

All he does is put words into Obama''s mouth and that''s not fair.

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Madness and Shame
By BOB HERBERT

You want a scary thought? Imagine a fanatic in the mold of *** Cheney but without the vice president%u2019s sense of humor.

In her important new book, %u201CThe Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned Into a War on American Ideals,%u201D Jane Mayer of The New Yorker devotes a great deal of space to David Addington, *** Cheney%u2019s main man and the lead architect of the Bush administration%u2019s legal strategy for the so-called war on terror.

She quotes a colleague as saying of Mr. Addington: %u201CNo one stood to his right.%u201D Colin Powell, a veteran of many bruising battles with Mr. Cheney, was reported to have summed up Mr. Addington as follows: %u201CHe doesn%u2019t believe in the Constitution.%u201D

Very few voters are aware of Mr. Addington%u2019s existence, much less what he stands for. But he was the legal linchpin of the administration%u2019s Marquis de Sade approach to battling terrorism. In the view of Mr. Addington and his acolytes, anything and everything that the president authorized in the fight against terror %u2014 regardless of what the Constitution or Congress or the Geneva Conventions might say %u2014 was all right. That included torture, rendition, warrantless wiretapping, the suspension of habeas corpus, you name it.

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This is the mind-set that gave us Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and the C.I.A.%u2019s secret prisons, known as %u201Cblack sites.%u201D

Ms. Mayer wrote: %u201CThe legal doctrine that Addington espoused %u2014 that the president, as commander in chief, had the authority to disregard virtually all previously known legal boundaries if national security demanded it %u2014 rested on a reading of the Constitution that few legal scholars shared.%u201D

When the constraints of the law are unlocked by the men and women in suits at the pinnacle of power, terrible things happen in the real world. You end up with detainees being physically and psychologically tormented day after day, month after month, until they beg to be allowed to commit suicide. You have prisoners beaten until they are on the verge of death, or hooked to overhead manacles like something out of the Inquisition, or forced to defecate on themselves, or sexually humiliated, or driven crazy by days on end of sleep deprivation and blinding lights and blaring noises, or water-boarded.

To get a sense of the heights of madness scaled in this anything-goes atmosphere, consider a brainstorming meeting held by military officials at Guantanamo. Ms. Mayer said the meeting was called to come up with ways to crack through the resistance of detainees.

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taotxzen,
25% of Germans today still feel that Hitler had many positive qualities. Every society has it''s deadenders.

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%u201COne source of ideas,%u201D she wrote, %u201Cwas the popular television show %u201824.%u2019 On that show as Ms. Mayer noted, %u201Ctorture always worked. It saved America on a weekly basis.%u201D

I felt as if I was in Never-Never Land as I read: %u201CIn conversation with British human rights lawyer Philippe Sands, the top military lawyer in Guantanamo, Diane Beaver, said quite earnestly that Jack Bauer %u2018gave people lots of ideas%u2019 as they sought for interrogation models.%u201D

Donald Rumsfeld described the detainees at Guantanamo as %u201Cthe worst of the worst.%u201D A more sober assessment has since been reached by many respected observers. Ms. Mayer mentioned a study conducted by attorneys and law students at the Seton Hall University Law School.

%u201CAfter reviewing 517 of the Guantanamo detainees%u2019 cases in depth,%u201D she said, %u201Cthey concluded that only 8 percent were alleged to have associated with Al Qaeda. Fifty-five percent were not alleged to have engaged in any hostile act against the United States at all, and the remainder were charged with dubious wrongdoing, including having tried to flee U.S. bombs. The overwhelming majority %u2014 all but 5 percent %u2014 had been captured by non-U.S. players, many of whom were bounty hunters.%u201D

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The U.S. shamed itself on George W. Bush%u2019s and *** Cheney%u2019s watch, and David Addington and others like him were willing to manipulate the law like Silly Putty to give them the legal cover they desired. Ms. Mayer noted that Arthur Schlesinger Jr., the late historian, believed that %u201Cthe Bush administration%u2019s extralegal counterterrorism program presented the most dramatic, sustained and radical challenge to the rule of law in American history.%u201D

After reflecting on major breakdowns of law that occurred in prior administrations, including the Watergate disaster, Mr. Schlesinger told Ms. Mayer: %u201CNo position taken has done more damage to the American reputation in the world %u2014 ever.%u201D

Americans still have not come to grips with this disastrous stain on the nation%u2019s soul. It%u2019s important that the whole truth eventually come out, and as many of the wrongs as possible be rectified.

Ms. Mayer, as much as anyone, is doing her part to pull back the curtain on the awful reality. %u201CThe Dark Side%u201D is essential reading for those who think they can stand the truth.

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Why bother, they say when Nixon was forced to resign that 25% of the population still supported him!

The thing I try to keep in mind is that the 20% Gah-Gah Club (remaining Bush Dead-Enders) are predominantly over 50, these young ones coming up do not have all the baggage and racist hate that these old geezers cling to. Soon they will all go the way of the other dinosaurs. (Absolutistis-Dogmaticius-Hypocritious)

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taotxzen - the book is in paperback. How long has it been out ? You have a copy - look at the date. You are claiming he wasn''''t taken care of during the surge.

Or do I need to go to Amazon ?



I think your book is just a wee bit dated. It would almost have to be, since he was there in the intital invasion.

Posted by RosieOD4Prez

Yes, if the military, which you claimed to be a part of, was unfortunate enough to be the first troops sent in to Iraq (non-hardcover variety), ***& ''EM - you truly are a great American and a credit to the neo-con dream!

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The Great Obama wants to send thousands of troops to Afghanstan.