Comments on: Gore Sets 10-Year Clean Energy Goal

Former VP Challenges Next President To Produce All Electricity Through Earth-Friendly Sources

[robaldrich]

Hi ubrew12:

I googled this yesterday (167,000 responses). On March 9, 1999, Al Gore told Wolf Blitzer on CNN''s ''Late Edition'' that, ''During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the internet.'' http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

He didn''t say he ''invented'' the Internet by himself; however, the Internet was in existence before Al Gore entered office in 1977.

Gore did actively contribute to the advancement of the internet as a Congressman. Without his work, the internet might not be what it is today.

I leave you to draw your own conclusions.

Rob

P.S. ''Liars'' are those who KNOW they are not telling the truth. Minnick8 could believe ''create'' is synonymous with ''invent.'' Minnick8 could believe that people don''t take the ''initiative in creating'' something that already exists. Or he could just be repeating hearsay as fact (most Americans do that).

[louiville2]

1. that nuclear should be increased in the U.S., perhaps by 100%____ Bravo
2. that a nuclear power plant is God''''s Gift to terrorists (can''''t think of a more permanent target), Hmmmm you mean like splatting a piper cub into the side of the reinforced dome and then as it slides down? Europe has more terrorists then we have and they are building MORE NPP HMMM. Maybe what you need is a little backbone HUH.
3. that nuclear has serious unresolved issues with waste that need ALOT more work to resolve. Hmmm And what''s that? A natural occurring reactor waste only moved 10 feet in 2 billion years, which was by chance I''m sure we can match that. (See backbone)
4. that the only reason many companies and the Republican Party promote nuclear is because nuclear fission requires a FUEL (i.e. it comes with a means to monopolize its use and make unseamly profits at the expense of rate-payers - unlike most renewable energy technologies for whom the FUEL is free) Like they don''t have a lock on the resources for wind farms etc... Or do you think those grow on trees or are magically made? And like Gore doesn%u2019t plan to make millions
5. that you should put on some pants (speaking of teleportation)

It%u2019s time to put away your toys and join us grown-ups.

[ubrew12]

minnick8 said: "I think it is noteworthy, because if [Gore] said he invented [the internet], and it was a lie, then what else is he lying about?"

PLEASE POST your information or link in which Gore says he ''invented'' the internet.

Because if you can''t, then YOU are the lier.

I agree with you... that liers ought to be exposed...

[ubrew12]

robaldrich4 said: "There''s a probability that I will molecularly transport to where you are right now. It''s a very, very, very, very small chance. Just like the chance that a nuclear power plant will kill 100,000 people. "

I think:

1. that nuclear should be increased in the U.S., perhaps by 100%
2. that a nuclear power plant is God''s Gift to terrorists (can''t think of a more permanent target)
3. that nuclear has serious unresolved issues with waste that need ALOT more work to resolve
4. that the only reason many companies and the Republican Party promote nuclear is because nuclear fission requires a FUEL (i.e. it comes with a means to monopolize its use and make unseamly profits at the expense of rate-payers - unlike most renewable energy technologies for whom the FUEL is free)
5. that you should put on some pants (speaking of teleportation)

[robaldrich]

diatreme says: The worst case at nuke plant involves the deaths of 100,000''''s.

I can''t think of a kind word to describe what I think about your comment. This scientifically unsupportable fear statement is typical of the uninformed and/or fraudulent.

You see, the problem (for nukes) is that EVERYTHING has a statistical probability. There''s a probability that I will molecularly transport to where you are right now. It''s a very, very, very, very small chance. Just like the chance that a nuclear power plant will kill 100,000 people. Fear mongers know that the nuclear scientists will not deny statistical fact and employ their typical argument, "what if your house is next to the one nuclear power plant that does meltdown?

Well, in the rest of the world, when a probability is less than one in a trillion, most people consider that zero, and certainly don''t fear that ''threat.''

Continued below - I hope

[robaldrich]

Continued

On top of that, last time I looked (20 years ago) the Union of Concerned Scientists [usually in Chemistry - not Nuclear Physics] (a rabid anti-nuke group) numbers, slanted against nuclear power, showed that there would have to be a total nuclear core meltdown every 28 days to equal the number of deaths already cause by the exhaust of coal fired power plants. Since coal plant exhaust are greater now, the nuclear meltdown days should be even less.

While we on the topic, Chernobyl has NOTHING to do with American nuclear power plants, NOTHING. It design (positive void coefficient) is illegal here.

Further, more people die a year in the U.S. from chocking on pens or children drowning in bathtubs (100 each) than from Three Mile Island (0). Three Mile Island is PROOF that nuclear reactors are safe. Human error corrected by nuclear plant design.

Rob

[ffarkel]

diatreme

Ameren had an award winning pumped storage facility at Taum Sauk -- if failed destroying an area called the Johnson Shut Ins. A beautiful state park area.

Your ignorance and arrogance is showing.

[robaldrich]

diatreme says: FYI, pumped storage in California, arguably the most earthquake prone region in the US, has not once experienced any sort of failure.

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Gee, ''the Helms Pumped Storage Power Station (Shaver
Lake, California), was forced to bring a unit out of service THIS WEEK.'' http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS162108+13-Jun-2008 MW20080613

''Pumped storage hydroelectricity is a type of hydroelectric power generation used by some power plants for load balancing. The method stores energy in the form of water, pumped from a lower elevation reservoir to a higher elevation. Low-cost off-peak electric power is used to run the pumps. During periods of high electrical demand, the stored water is released through turbines. Although the losses of the pumping process makes the plant a net consumer of energy overall, the system increases revenue by selling more electricity during periods of peak demand, when electricity prices are highest.'' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped_storage

Even when these plants are ripping the people off to overcome their design inefficiencies (net energy USER), they still produce less electricity (.33 to .5 MW(e)) than a nuclear power plant produces all the time. Google it, I just did.

Rob

[minnick8-2009]

Man, the negative right wing whiners ARE out in force. Get over your Red/Blue thinking. Why speak of who invented the Internet? The point is we need to be energy independent, isn''''''''t it?

Posted by kdellit

Someone last night, posted the comment that Al Gore invented the Internet. No, he did not. That comment really fluffs my dander and so I said he didn''''t. Then someone else told me that he did have a role, and so I researched it and posted my findings.

If Al Gore said he invented the Internet, he lied. He did write legislation which Congress passed to fund the infrastructure.

I think it is noteworthy, because if he said he invented it, and it was a lie, then what else is he lying about?

[morganbarber]

Ever notice that few people are moderate on the subject of climate change. The Democrats say the world will end soon if we don''t change. The Republicans say everything is just fine.

[louiville2]

diatreme-wrote "So, caring about the future of your grandchildren is a waste of time? And it''''s NOT arrogant to assume that our activites affect the environmnet?"______
Thats the "arn''t you patriotic" card leftys throw out like no one would be Pleease. The Chinese during the 60''s abandoned farms to build Mao''s 10 year dream only to starve to death by the millions. Is that what you want? A wrong move could cost the lives of millions on dubious technology.

[louiville2]

"Man, the negative right wing whiners ARE out in force. Why speak of who invented the Internet? The point is we need to be energy independent, isn''''''''t it? What''''''''s wrong with that goal? You want to fight oil wars forever? Solar and Wind Energy is a major part of our future. Work on it and quit fighting it, would you please?


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Posted by kdellit

It''''s amazing, isn''''t it? They''''ll do anything to change the subject, or bluff their way around factual evidence...I always thought national security was one of their priorties.
They''''re too blind with their own ignorance and hate to realize that renewable enrgy is a total win-win situation."
Are you guys whinning? say it isn''t so!

[minnick8-2009]

You, like the rest of your ilk, are just a misinformed hater. GET A CLUE.

Posted by diatreme

I live in a state where there is enough fossil fuel to run this country for 300 years. Most of it is forever locked up unless there is some kind of congressional legislation to allow it. Every attempt to develop it has been stopped by left wing environmentalists.

Between that, and no nuclear plants, and no windmills because they are too ugly and no one wants them in their back yard, and off shore drilling stopped, and on and on, which part of no development of resources am I missing? I am not misinformed. I''m irritated as all get out, because I was hoping that there would be a small window of opportunity where I could own a car that ran, and afford to fill it with gas, and go someplace like so many of you have been doing all these years. I would have liked to have known what it was like. I think the window has closed. But then again, there are a lot of people who also don''t know, and now probably won''t. I think Al Gore is a hipocrate since he can preach on and on all he likes about conservation, but his life is certainly not one of conversation.

I won''t worry about all the rest of " . . . your ilk," comment since I really don''t know anyone else like me.

[ffarkel]

The problem is all you "left wingers" don''t get it. What Gore is talking about isn''t energy independence -- its energy suicide.
Any rational energy policy MUST include fossil fuels for the foreseeable future until such time as renewables and the like can support the energy needs of this country. Simply put Gore''s request that we be carbon free in a decade is simply and completely impossible short of gutting the entire country of its energy needs.
We ain''t arguing that wind and solar don''t have a place in the mix -- we''re arguing that Gore''s carbon free in a decade BS is just exactly that BS!

The left needs to get off its high horse and the right needs to get off its oil horse and the two need to meet somewhere in the middle with a viable, workable energy plan for this country (which MUST include increased domestic production of oil) -- something that the left appears unwilling to do.

[louiville2]

diatreme - wrote%u201CFortunately for humanity, it ran 1.7 BILLION years ago, plenty of time for the fission fragments and transuranics to decay away to harmless levels.%u201D Yes in two billion years it has only moved %u201C10 feet%u201D wow a freight train to destruction. We are swapping something with a half life from 740 million to 4.5 billion years with something with a half life of 240,000 years seems like a fair trade to me.

You should look up doldrums it%u2019s the phenomenon where heat causes the air to go straight up, that%u2019s why summer on the plains the wind drops during the day when it%u2019s most needed.
diatreme %u201CRare earth minerals? Hmm, that''''s interesting, copper (for windings) and iron (for lams and structure)aren''''t exactly considered rare earth elements by anyone with any knowledge.%u201D
Wiki-%u201CMost copper ore is mined or extracted as copper sulfides from large open pit mines in porphyry copper deposits that contain 0.4 to 1.0 percent copper. Examples include: Chuquicamata in Chile and El Chino Mine in New Mexico. The average abundance of copper found within crustal rocks is approximately 68 ppm by mass, and 22 ppm by atoms.%u201D ___________Hmmm that%u2019s Parts Per Million what was I thinking? And all those thieves stealing copper and getting blown up what were they thinking you can just pick it up off the ground!

[randycarol]

I believe Al Gore is right on target with his thoughts of developing renewable sources of energy...but he faces a tremendous uphill battle from those who currently live off of oil and gas production, etc....Let''s hope this truly happens in the 10-year timeframe, or our children and grandchildren won''t be able to afford the cost of energy, food, and healthcare. We''re not thinking of the coming generations well when we refuse to get on the fast track toward being more earth friendly and creative in the development of clean energy. Hopefully, the political will is changing and we can elect people who have the courage to do the right things for our country.

[minnick8-2009]

Regarding energy independence: The left wing environmentalists have stopped all attempts in the U.S. to develop energy independence for the past 30 years. I hope they all freeze to death in the dark. Unfortunately, we will probably all go with them.

[minnick8-2009]

Man, the negative right wing whiners ARE out in force. Get over your Red/Blue thinking. Why speak of who invented the Internet? The point is we need to be energy independent, isn''''t it?

Posted by kdellit

Someone last night, posted the comment that Al Gore invented the Internet. No, he did not. That comment really fluffs my dander and so I said he didn''t. Then someone else told me that he did have a role, and so I researched it and posted my findings. End of story.

"We can''t drill our way out of this problem"
T. Boone Pickens

When a lifelong oil man says THAT, it tends to get my attention.

[ffarkel]

Oh, and ubrew -- pumped storage -- that worked well for that utility in Missouri didn''t it. The one who''s reservoir broke and destroyed one of the most beautiful natural parks in the country.