Comments on: Clinton Ponders Campaign's Future

New York Senator Says She'll Consult With Party Leaders And Supporters Before Making A Decision

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toldyouso12

Word of advise; lay off the coffee. Also, why are you worried about the Clintons when the Republican are way deep in you pockets at this very time?

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Posted by anappleadae at 01:23 PM : Jun 04, 2008


Ahhhh now I get it. You are the latest person touting HRC running as an Independent. But you don''t seem to realize she can''t. At least not this year--and not without hijacking the entire Federal law--she and you will find those goal posts a little harder to move than the DNC rules. LOL

[toldyouso12]

McCain is up front. He admits he has a temper and will not hesitate to show it when the occasion is presented. The difference here is McCain has given himself the license to lose his temper. The real problem here is when and if the merciless Republican machine goads Obama into a fit of rage.

I agree with the comment about "Swift Boating". Gore folded and Kerry became a shrinking violet. Since the Republican machine is more practiced at the ability to exposed and humiliate, this electorial season should prove to be very entertaining.

Posted by anappleadae at 01:23 PM : Jun 04, 2008

LOL. Calling his wife a **** in public and yelling and screaming at those who disagree with him in Congress is not granting permission--the man is out of control and most of his colleagues on both sides of the aisle admit that. The fact is, we are beginning to have mentally unstable people run for office and these persons are aided and enabled by people in the public who are either as dysfunctional or oblivious to the potential impact of these terrible flaws.

As for my handle--might we assume you are not too long out of elementary school to remember a 5th grader OR... that she made such an impact on you that you can''t forget her? Either way---a handle is just what it is--something to hold onto--it does not have much to do with whats in the pot nor often, if the handle will or will not burn you. LMAO.

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toldyouso12

What a handle. You sound like a girl I knew in the fifth grade.

About the temper thing; Obama has run on an image of mister smooth and controled. He hasn''t given himself license to do otherwise because it would be a challenge to the persona he feels he needs to project as a uniter.

McCain is up front. He admits he has a temper and will not hesitate to show it when the occasion is presented. The difference here is McCain has given himself the license to lose his temper. The real problem here is when and if the merciless Republican machine goads Obama into a fit of rage.

I agree with the comment about "Swift Boating". Gore folded and Kerry became a shrinking violet. Since the Republican machine is more practiced at the ability to exposed and humiliate, this electorial season should prove to be very entertaining.

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Posted by toldyouso12 at 01:04 PM : Jun 04, 2008

I have not seen any interviews with Clinton approving the Dubai deals. But I will research the matter. I know the Dubai deal was done through the Carlyl Group and Kissenger.

Posted by zoe2006 at 01:12 PM : Jun 04, 2008


In the interview, Bill defended the deal and said why we should do it, he also admitted to helping to broker the deal and defended that by saying we should not be so paranoid over terrorism that we discriminate against any country, particularly one as helpful as the one in Dubai. When it was pointed out that Dubai money laundered and was a haven for terrorists, Clinton pointed out that Dubai was one of the most modern and secular countries in the ME and was actually hated by terrorists because it was the best example of great Western influence. The long and short--he was in on the deal, he supported it, he defended it he got paid for it. BTW at the time he was doing all of that, HRC was fighing AGAINST the deal.

So it was just like old times--good cop/bad cop. He is for the deals---She is against those deals--and they keep netting money for their private coffers by playing both sides.

[toldyouso12]

That''''s quite different then accusing Bill Clinton of being part of the Dubai port deal(s), which he had nothing to do with. All politicians, including Bush, Cheney refuse to disclose their financials. I would like to see Cheney''''s financial and how much money he made from his illegal no bid contracts for Halliburton - which has since moved its company and operations to Dubai.



Posted by zoe2006 at 01:08 PM : Jun 04, 2008


No it is not. Bill admitted on television to accepting a 20 million dollar payment to help broker the deal between the Dubai Port Consortium and the US government. It failed, but he still tried and as the intermediary, he was in fact, in it up to his neck in the Dubai port deal.

If you wanted to sell your home and I offered to bring people there, show them your home and try to convince them to buy it--would that make me a part of the home deal? If I also demanded payment for bringing the deal and thus was the broker--would you say my part was key or not? Up to his neck--believe what you want--the fact is--Bill does not have a halo. Compartmentalizing--we especially do it when people we think we know and love do unpalatable things and we don''t know how to deal with the revelations.

[toldyouso12]

I think if she registered as Independent she would win as did Joe Leiberman.

Posted by anappleadae at 12:59 PM : Jun 04, 2008


Then she''ll have to wait until 2012. The deadline for applying to run as an Independent and to submit all paperwork ended MONTHS ago. The Clintons may strong arm the DNC and Obama, but the Federal law is not likely to bend much for them yet--and they are not in power to corrupt those laws. If she wants to go Independent, she''ll have to wait another 4 years.

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Posted by zoe2006 at 12:58 PM : Jun 04, 2008


SIGH--Clinton actually was interviewed and admitted that he was the middle man in the Dubai deal and defended his position. He was to get 20 million for advising Dubai on how to get the deal done. This is not a matter of made up google stuff, nor are the stories about the missing furniture--there were news stories and interviews. HRC''s camp first denied the missing furniture, then later admitted finding quite a few items that must have been taken in the rush to move--it was these things she paid for rather than return. And it included furniture, paintings, dishes and rugs--maybe it was all a genuine mistake--but since all the china and silver are engraved with the White House emblem and inventoried--that is pretty far fetched.

As for Clinton''s role in Dubai, I saw the interviews where he defended not only his part, but why the Arabs should have the port. Bush and Cheney were in on it big time--but so was Clinton--front and center. Please don''t give anyone a free pass due to party--the fact is, people are people, greed is greed and no party or person is walking around with a halo--not even the Clintons.

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Posted by zoe2006 at 12:53 PM : Jun 04, 2008



When leaving office, the Clintons claimed that due to all their legal problems they were on the verge of bankruptcy. When the Republicans claimed the Clintons stole furnishings from the White house, I thought it was just a GOP lie, but I have done research since and it has been back in the news. HRC did take China , furniture and rugs and some was even seen at her home during one of her benefits. She and Bill later paid for the items, but also said, they considered most of the items to be "gifts" or part of their payment as tenure in the White house. The fact is, HRC and Bill did have to pay for the furnishings they took, this is a matter of public record as is their claim that they were near bankruptcy when they left.


Further, their financial disclosing refuse to mention who some of their benefactors of the Clinton library are. That is because some of them are the same people of the Dubai Port Deal---and the contribution is in the millions. The Clintons waited so long to release those tax returns, because they sought legal council to find out what they could or could not hide and yet still claim that the disclosure was fulfilled. Both made money on their books--but in the interim--there are these published stories and you won''t hear Hillary refuting them much.

[anappleadae]

I think if she registered as Independent she would win as did Joe Leiberman.

[anappleadae]

I think if she registered as Independent she would win as did Joe Leiberman.

[toldyouso12]

BILL CLINTON AND THE DUBAI PORT DEAL...GET INFORMED...

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/4/141014.shtml?s=lh

http://emirateseconomist.blogspot.com/2008/01/burkle-clinton-dubai.html

http://emirateseconomist.blogspot.com/2008/01/clinton-to-severe-sensitive.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_565.shtml

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/03/clintons-uae-dealings-no-one-night.html

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/mar2006/duba-m04.shtml

[rph0714]

First, I find it appauling that the President congratulated Obama and Hillary has yet to do so. Second, It is really too bad that Hillary''s campaign and Hillary herself has made Obama the scapegoat as to why they lost now they want to corner Obama into making HIS decision for vp and so the follow-up question would be.....What will happen if Barack does not pick Hillary as his vp... the Hillary campaign and Hillary will get a double dose of being a victim.

I am a women and I am getting tired of the women supporters for Hillary, are still crying wolf. Our rights were fought for and won years ago. Hillary did not get elected for the nominee because she is a women, it''s because of Hillary and her campaign period. Please it''s a shame that Hillary has to make like she is the only one that will listen to the people that voted for her, majority women, and wants to make sure your voice will be heard. So what I hear is that Obama will not listen to Hillary supporters voices....how decieving and minipulative and very devisive.

[toldyouso12]

Actually that is NOT TRUE. That was Bush/Cheney who tried, not once, but twice to sell out ports to Dubai. Collectively, both Repub and Dems fought against that.

Posted by zoe2006 at 12:42 PM : Jun 04, 2008


You might want to google that. Bush and Cheney were involved but so was Bill Clinton, he was the broker who brought the sides together and it was he who took the deal to Bush and Cheney. Bill really is not what you think he is--he is like everyone else--out for himself and to make money--google Clinton and dubai and see what you net.

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Hey, A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words:
www.poconocommunitynews.com

[toldyouso12]

Not too far from disagreement. But Clinton in the background supporting Obama, would sink McCain.

Posted by zoe2006 at 12:39 PM : Jun 04, 2008

I agree and do not think HRC should not be considered for some position within the Obama admin--just not VP or a heartbeat away from Obama. She needs to be in an influential position where she can wield limited power and does not have access to accrue, subvert or hijack the power of the Presidency and where her power base can be limited, yet influential.

[toldyouso12]

CORRECTION/ADDENDUM:

Bill is a globalist. WHOSE SERVICES ARE FOR SALE TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER AND WHO WOULD LOVE AS COLLATERAL ALL OF AMERICA TO LEVERAGE HIS DEALS. HILLARY IS THE SAME. This bodes well for the world but not well for America. To be effective, America must fall in dominance--it can only do that to the detriment of all of us in this country. WE SHOULD WONDER HOW A COUPLE ON THE VERGE OF BANKRUPTCY IN 2000, AND WHO WERE CAUGHT STEALING FURNITURE AND HAD TO PAY FOR IT, WAS ABLE TO GO FROM BANKRUPTCY TO 109 MILLION DOLLARS IN 7 YEARS....WE SHOULD ALSO WONDER WHAT/WHO DID THEY GET IN BED WITH AND WHAT WAS ON THE TABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT? It wasn''t just their memoirs.

Posted by toldyouso12 at 12:36 PM : Jun 04, 2008

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Bill is a whip in international affairs and well-liked internationally. Posted by zoe2006 at 12:19 PM : Jun 04, 2008


Bill was also instrumental in trying to sell American ports to Dubai--the country that was the intermediary financier for the 9/11 hijackings and is said to still have ties to terrorist money laundering to this day.

One of the flaws of women is that we know how to make the best of a bad situation and see the bright side--we have to--life requires a lot of women for themselves and their families--but that is not the flaw. The flaw is that this desire means we compartmentalize information. That means we separate out what is good or decent from what is horrible and to get through our lives or the day, we shelve what is ugly until we have time, energy or the mindset to deal with it.

This works against us in politics. Here, the entire pie must be examined as a whole to see the game that is being played. Standing alone, many of the accomplishments of the Clintons are stellar and laudable--but seen in conjunction with other actions that are not so nice--and a more ominous picture emerges. Bill is a globalist. This bodes well for the world but not well for America. To be effective, America must fall in dominance--it can only do that to the detriment of all of us in this country.

[toldyouso12]

As for Obama taking her plans--maybe he did--but just like he stated in a debate--she''d make a great advisor and he planned on tapping her if/when he became President. Presidents should inspire and lead by example. Policy wonks should stay in the background, write policies, vet policy, or become pundits. HRC probably did not even write those policies--staff who work for her did. Obama needs to find out who they are and if he can work with them.

The fact is, there are thinkers and there are doers and there are those who inspire and those who kill inspiration. Each have their place. The American public needs to remember just what exactly a President does--he/she is a mouthpiece representing a people and a government. The greatest spokesperson of all. A President cannot on their own--enact a health plan, go to war, save a state''s economy, hand out money, forgive debt etc. They can''t even enact policy without the help of a receptive Congress. Most of what they promise, they cannot fulfill---because it is the job of Congress to do that. Campaigns are full of promises that are NOT up to the President and most Presidents do NOT write their own policy--they pay others to do that. So does HRC and Obama and Bush and Bill. Kudos to Obama for netting the best of Bill''s old team, and knowing how to capitalize off of some of HRC''s policies if they were viable and made sense.

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Posted by zoe2006 at 12:06 PM : Jun 04, 2008


LOL. HRC regretted her Iraq vote? She said she thought it was just to let Bush continue the inspections. Another Clinton lie--an authorization to war is just that--an authorization to use force (go to war).

She lies and excuses her mistakes but she rarely apologizes for them specifically or owns up to them.