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CBSNews.com's Vaughn Ververs Says Pa. Primary Clarifies Nothing In Clinton-Obama Battle

[b-easy63]

We might not like his policies, but at least we know what they really are and who he really is--the key to defeating Hillary will be to point out a very obvious and ugly truth--she does not keep her promises, she beds snakes when needed, she is a liar and a backstabber (by going against her signed DNC pledge) she is in bed with the right, she makes deals to put money in her own pocket...in the end which do you want? The candidate who is honest enough to be himself and to vote true to his word and stand by it--or the candidate who is very divisive, will lie, cheat and fake who she is, is known to be an promise breaker, flip flops and really--is a fake Republican?
Hillary is sooo flawed in so many ways (with or without Bill) that for the first time this year, many in the GOP look at her and are salivating. see next post

[mrmazerati]

Hillary and Bill WERE right- not WAS right. If you''re going to insult someone''s intelligence and education, it''s best to do it using proper grammar.

[b-easy63]

He and the GOP will point to Hillary''s embrace of fox news, on her willingness to start more wars in the ME (her umbrella of protection comment in the PA debate) and her statements that she would keep troops in Iraq (she has said she would remove them and at other times said they would be there maybe 10 years as a peacekeeping force--sort of what they are now)

He will point to the mutual embrace of the "vast right wing conspiracy" and some might even point out that Hillary is really a manchurian candidate sent from the GOP in the 1970s to wait for the perfect storm and she would defuse it. They will dig up the lies and dishonesty of her Watergate years (and the firing for hiding documents), her Goldwater girl status and her cosiness with the GOP now.

The idea will be to inject a huge wedge of doubt in Independents and some Democrats that Hillary was ever a true Democrat at all. They will use her personality and behavior in this campaign against her.

Everyone says it will work. Why? Because all across the land, Hillary has faked who she is and what she has really done or supported. McCain has appeared far more truthful. His bid hinges on voters deciding to vote for the candidate they can more trust. next post

[blackspirit3]

SO HILLARY AND BILL WAS RIGHT - PENN IS FILLED WITH BUNCH OF DUMB, UNEDUCATED, NON COLLEGE GRADUATING, BROOM PUSHING, TOILET CLEANING, WHITE RACIST PEOPLE. SHE KNOWS HER HOMETOWN WELL. SHE WON BECAUSE A WHITE RACIST KNOWS THE MINDS OF WHITE RACIST PEOPLE. SHE KNOWS HER CONSTITUENCY WELL, POOR, WHITE AND UNEDUCATED.

[b-easy63]

McCain will identify with Obama in that in 2000 he was relentless attacked with smear jobs. He and the GOP will identify Clinton with Bush. This is already happening and the Dems act like they don''t see it. Her record of supporting (or at least not voting against)most Bush policies including the torture bill, immunity for the telecoms for wiretapping, FISA and the war will come out. Never mind that his record is similar--he will paint her as a traitor to her own party and a collaborator with the right.

This is important, because it will show HE is the real thing and as usual, she is a fake hypocrite.

2. The GOP will trot out how the DNC disenfranchised Fl and Mi and at the same time how they stole the nomination away from the actual public by selecting Clinton (feeding the resentment fires)

3. He will point out the ugly, negative campaigning and how he DEFENDED Obama and fired people or refuted them. He will talk about how when Hillary would not say Obama could be CIC he immediately and without hesitation said "Absolutely"

4. If necessary and she brings up the S & L, Whispering voices will bring up Whitewater, Hsu, her own connections to Rezko, the conviction of her campaign manager on campaign fraud (later overturned) and her CURRENT case of campaign fraud that is quietly wending its way through the LA courts along with video to prove Hillary is dirty. next post

[blackspirit3]

SO HILLARY AND BILL WAS RIGHT - PENN IS FILLED WITH DUMB UNEDUCATED WHITE RACIST PEOPLE. SHE KNOWS HER HOMETOWN WELL.

[dante805]

Thanks a lot Howard Dean! You just ruined the DEM party. 6 more weeks of McCain getting a free ride. 6 More weeks of Obama and Clinton fighting eachother. Obama lost PA because he scares "Bitter" Small Town voters. Unlike Obama they wouldn''t rather have their daughters get an abortion than be "Punished" with a baby. They don''t cuddle up to San Fran liberal ideas. They are conservative in nature - Obama is Socialist in nature. Michelle divisive comments are helping at all - She and Bill need to shut up and take a long vacation. Thanks a lot Howard Dean! , thanks a lot.

[b-easy63]

I think the feeling among them may be that they would rather face Obama than Clinton, simply because Obama''''s support is more concentrated and therefore more precipitous. For Hillary to win, the super delegates would have to believe the same. So it''''s psychological warfare at this point.

Posted by mrmazerati at 08:06 AM : Apr 23, 2008

As one of many Independents, I have the privilege of often being privvy to opinions from both camps. the consensus is that Clinton is the preferred candidate to face. Here''s why:

1. Her premise of being ''experienced in foreign policy" would melt down and the GOP could exploit all her lying and fudging against true credentials.

2. Her smear tactics against Obama would be played and replayed to rub salt in the wounds of old Obama supporters and McCain would lament him being attacked just like he was in 2000. (she will be painted as George Bush)

3. For HIspanics--McCain will point out that while Hill and Obama "talked" about letting illegals in, he is the only one that stood up and took on his entire party and risked his own legacy and stood up for them in day light not the usual wink wink. (both HRC and Obama abstained in the I.I bid for cloture and HRC flip flopped on DL for NY Illegals)

See next post

[mrmazerati]

As an independent, I would also make the following bold statement: it really doesn''t matter who wins or loses in the general election. McCain is not a radical right Republican. Both Hillary and Obama are intelligent and competent. Any of the three would do a far, far better job than Bush and I would be proud to have them leading the country. This is an exciting election, but to me it''s not a deal breaker for the country. Bush is on the way out, that''s the important thing. Everything else at this point is just a horse race. I say good job, America.

[mrmazerati]

Was a very interesting race last night. Clinton didn''t blow Obama out in raw votes, which she should have done. Penn. is as about a perfect scenario for her as it gets. However, the map of the state overwhelmingly favored her, except for the heavily urban area around Philly. This lends ammo to her argument that she appeals to a wider cross section and the heart of the mainstream electorate. I think this was also closely watched by the Republicans. I think the feeling among them may be that they would rather face Obama than Clinton, simply because Obama''s support is more concentrated and therefore more precipitous. For Hillary to win, the super delegates would have to believe the same. So it''s psychological warfare at this point.

[dante805]

OBINATION. OBama P.O.ed the average white voter with his "Punished with a baby" comment, his elitist statement about bitter small town voters to rich liberal SanFran snobs, his love of Hate Pastor Wright and a whole bunch of other lies. Now we will see the media spin the fact that Whites won''t vote for a Black. I can see it now - how about the 90% in lock step Blacks who vote for Blacks. Give me a break. The S.O.S. Obamination train has come off the tracks. Snake Oil Salesman and Style over Substance is not working to fool the average hard-working voter. No wonder 40% of Clinton supporters will either not vote or Support John McCain. Thanks a lot Howard Dean!

[perceptions5]

The Tide Has Turned............

Obama outspent Hillary 3 to 1 in PA

Obama had all the support from America''''s most corrupt institution, our mostly liberal MSM wolfpack press

Obama had all the support from liberal Hollywood (Michael Moore..........etc ........etc. Oprah)

Obama had all the support from Americas liberal colleges and universties

OBAMA LOST PA BY DOUBLE DIGITS and after 7 weeks of pure "pro-Obama propaganda campaign by the three corrupt groups mentioned above.

But the American people saw through all the bilitz of liberal pro-Obama propaganda to win BIG!

The Tide Has Turned......................

[vet_sk]

I agree with cruiser111. For Clinton to have really won last night, she needed 65% - a full 39$ margin. She got 10$, 200,000 and 13 delegates. Obama will regain at least this much in North Carolina. He''ll be able to give Florida to Clinton (votes and delegates) and still be on top with popular vote and delegates.
He also came from a 20% deficit in PA from a month ago. A sad loss but it was suspected.

[DCropp]

Clinton''s use of Osama Bin Laden, gave her a 2-3 point gain for a few days. In the next week, look for traditional Democrats to criticize her for this.

Hillary "Karl Rove" Clinton

Watch media clips of Hillary saying she would NEVER resort to these tactics.

[cfin5]

Senator McCains problem is that he doesn''t believe that President Bush has already spent the political capital the GOP had in the Politibank. Ron Paul understands VERY WELL this is the case. I''m sure glad that approximately 130,000 Americans in Pennsylvania understand this,......and I thank them for it!

So now we continue to watch the spectacle of one candidate clawing kicking scratching dragging another candidate down in the vilest display of ambition since lady macbeth plotted to become queen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q5Y-PHiOdI

[mcvet]

If bamabi can''''t carry the big dem states theres
no way he can win in nov. he spent 35 + million
and still no obamo


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Posted by popstom1 at 03:48 AM : Apr 23, 2008
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You do realize that you Nazi''s grow less relevant by the minute don''t you?? ROFLMAO Sieg Heil Bush

[mcvet]

So this race continues on across the Country, comsuming all in it''s path. When was the last time the folks in the two states coming up actually had a chance to make a difference in a choice like this. The REAL losers here is the Republican Party. Whoever comes out on top in this thing is going to roll over McSame like a speed bump. America LOVES a winner folks of this there is no doubt and numbers of voters getting involved in this has got to make the leaders of the Democrat Party smile big time. Right now, in some parts of this nation, the Republican Party is a after though... also ran''s who could hold a convention in a Phone Booth. Sure their canidate is close NOW, in the heat of this battle, but ONCE a winner is crowned, ONCE the choice has been made by these MILLIONS of voters?? LOL There''s little chance the voters in the General Election will be in much of a mood for the standard fascist mud slinging... not against the winner of this struggle. LOL Sieg Heil Bush!!

[cfin5]

Election mathematics "are lesser than" Religious mathematics.......Sorry, I tried to use the "greater than, lesser than" sign between the two on my last post.

[cfin5]

Election mathematics Religious mathematics.